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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby Martin Walker » Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:12 pm

Yep, that feature is a fascinating read, yet I was surprised that Billy Decker defaults to replacing the original kick drum with a custom mix of four sampled sounds, using Slate Trigger.

He reasons that he can achieve the 'perfect' kick sound in about 10 seconds using this technique, which of course bypasses lots of fiddling about gating, EQing, and otherwise treating the original recorded kick to polish it up.

I can quite believe the time saving, yet I'm still surprised that the artists are happy with this approach . Perhaps it really is the end result that counts, or perhaps the drummer simply doesn't notice that his kick has changed ;)


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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby desmond » Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:17 pm

He seems a nice guy - that YouTube interview is interesting. I remember when the article came out we had discussions here about it - I was a bit conflicted about it then, and I still feel the same way.

But look, that's his work ethic, his artists seem to like the results, and his mixes are successful, so it's hard to argue with it that much.

But yes, as he says he's the "McDonalds of mixing", but I think I'd be happier with someone who was going to struggle a bit to try and imbue a bit more art to my material.
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby Dr Huge Longjohns » Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:52 pm

I can quite believe the time saving, yet I'm still surprised that the artists are happy with this approach .

I suppose at the end of the day they choose him because he has a track record of getting massive hits. If I were asked "would you like to get a number one hit or keep the original drums?" I know which way I'd jump!! :lol:

I think there's a lot more drum replacement going on these days than we sometimes think. Clearmountain and many of the other top mixers have a handful of drum samples they use on everything. And Clearmountain is another one who doesn't take more than an afternoon on a mix, as a rule.
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:50 pm

desmond wrote:But yes, as he says he's the "McDonalds of mixing", but I think I'd be happier with someone who was going to struggle a bit to try and imbue a bit more art to my material.

But, he's mixing for a specific market, Country Pop Rock, so the formula for success is quite narrow, so is deviation for 'art's sake' likely to result in a less successful record?
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby The Elf » Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:32 pm

I'd like to see Billy Decker mix some of the stuff I am given. I can spend 45 minutes just tuning the vocals! :lol: :headbang:
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby desmond » Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:43 pm

The Elf wrote:I'd like to see Billy Decker mix some of the stuff I am given. I can spend 45 minutes just tuning the vocals! :lol: :headbang:

TBF he said in that YouTube interview if he was tuning vocals that alone would take him about an hour.

Don't forget a lot of the time he's mixing very well recorded and performed Nashville-tracked songs, to a template, probably without doing a lot of more modern production style work, and augmenting or replacing the natural drums with samples rather than working with the real kit to make that sound contemporary. I guess after mixing 1500 of those tracks in a single year, you can be pretty confident in knowing where the bass goes, how the electric guitars and a mandolins fit together, and where the mute button is on the banjo track... ;)
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby The Elf » Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:55 pm

In that case we can all do 45-minute mixes - in fact I'll bid 40 minutes! :D ;)
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby ManFromGlass » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:48 pm

Doesn’t Waves have a plug called - Banjo Mute?
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby desmond » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:09 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:Doesn’t Waves have a plug called - Banjo Mute?

Give them 5 minutes, and it'll be a key new plugin in V13!
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby shufflebeat » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:26 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:Doesn’t Waves have a plug called - Banjo Mute?

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By the way, I love the banjo but there's a time and place.
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby Luke W » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:54 pm

shufflebeat wrote:By the way, I love the banjo but there's a time and place.

It's Bonfire Night, right?
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby shufflebeat » Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:05 pm

I set up a template in Reaper for band recordings off the live desk in such a way that once I'd made a decent mix I could drag the files in, set up songs as regions and pretty much render.

I was amazed at the consistency across gigs.

The little I know of country rock would suggest they are looking for familiarity rather than innovation. In country/folk terms this is often seen as authenticity vs interlopers. Once a signature sound has been approved it tends to stick. In the US it seems to be a gradual regression towards a caricature of the old stuff.

I have an ongoing problem with modern folkie acoustic guitar sound but it has seem to have become the tone de jour.
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby shufflebeat » Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:12 pm

Luke W wrote:
shufflebeat wrote:By the way, I love the banjo but there's a time and place.

It's Bonfire Night, right?

I think that's the cello you're thinking of but it's a versatile approach.
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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby desmond » Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:32 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:Doesn’t Waves have a plug called - Banjo Mute?

I have it in beta:-

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Re: The 45 minute mix

Postby blinddrew » Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:50 pm

again with the anti-banjo brigade. :(
And having a go a cellos this time as well.
It's almost like you've been listening to my back catalogue.

To be fair, mockery is about the only reason to do that... ;)
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