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Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby blinddrew » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:19 pm

I have a track I'm working on, into which I've added at stop - at about 1:03. But I cannot seem to get the precise timing right. I've tried it directly on the beat, slightly before, slightly after, ridiculously after etc. and it just never seems to sit right.
If I listen back to that segment it seems fine, but then always jars when I listen from the beginning.

Here's the track https://soundcloud.com/blinddrew/red-20 ... SM9xE8rWO4

It's still a work in progress so any other comments are always appreciated, but it's really that stop timing that's getting me in a froth.
Please help a man cling onto his sanity! :)
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby zenguitar » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:24 pm

blinddrew wrote:Please help a man cling onto his sanity! :)

Are you sure you came to the right place? :silent:

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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby Eddy Deegan » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:27 pm

It sounds fine to me right where it is Drew. I'm liking the track btw. The syncopated drums took a little getting used to; at first I thought there was something weird about their timing but soon got used to them.
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby blinddrew » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:31 pm

Neither of you are helping! :bouncy:
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby Kwackman » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:34 pm

I don't think there's anything song with that stop either, sorry! :D
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby ManFromGlass » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:39 pm

The drums are great the track is working
But consider this -
The last phrase of lyrics before the break sets up a slight;y different rhythm than would be expected before a break. It’s cool and I like it - it almost implies a bar of 5/4 or similar but a bit of non-traditional. So perhaps it’s the gap between the end of the last word and where the break starts?
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby blinddrew » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:50 pm

Ok, maybe you are helping... ;)

Interesting point there MFG, I'll have a think about that.
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby The Red Bladder » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:51 pm

I normally do not comment on people's music because most of the time, their music is undiluted dog-poo.

This is a really good track and there is nothing wrong with it. Go away!
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby wdsteele » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:01 pm

I have a similar kind of dilemma from time to time , the drop never seemed right at a fresh listen but appeared fine on repeat listens to the actual session.

Anyhow , happy to report the stop on your track sounds perfectly placed and lifts off nicely again to my ears , very well arranged in fact .

If I could be so bold to offer some feedback , I might say there is a sense of too many words In each line , seems like it’s a challenge to fit them all in before the end of each bar , not sure if that’s the words themselves or just the delivery needs adjusting but as already mentioned , that might be skewing your take on things .
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby blinddrew » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:15 pm

The vocal delivery is supposed to be a bit hesitant and stuttered (it's actually way harder to do it like that than sing conventionally!) but I'll have think if that preceding line needs tweaking.
Thank you.
And thank you also TRB. ;)
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby John Egan » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:33 pm

Drew,
That's an interesting song. I really like it.
As far as the stop is concerned, my inclination would be to lose the drum fill before the restart. I think that dilutes the strength of the pause. Coming in on the beat with the vocal would, I think add to the drama.
Try it and see what you think.
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby blinddrew » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:45 pm

I'll give that a listen as well, thanks John. :thumbup:
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby Murray B » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:07 am

Lovely Track Drew

The whole vibe of the track is kind of angular and a little disconcerting (in a good way) so the fill works for this vibe. Straight playing me would want an extra beat (or 2 if I'm counting 8's) before the drum fill starts to have a safer place to rejoin the tension... Might be worth a try. But there isn't anything wrong with the original.

One day I may be brave enough to share some of my own work here - but I'll need some proper monitors first :-)
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby resistorman » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:11 am

I have the same problem crop up all the time. Simplifying it in some way like John suggested usually is the way out.
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Re: Quick request for help - driving me nuts!

Postby paul tha other » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:19 am

its sounds fine to me ...also i understand what you mean...try a count of 6 instead of 4 for the break so there more space for a bigger drum fill
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