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Postby desmond » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:20 pm

Sure. But a claim a technology is novel does not make that so.

The specifics will be in the patent application, I guess. And even if granted, still doesn't necessarily make it true.

I think you have to also prove no-one else is using this idea, or a variant on it too, in a patent application.
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Postby desmond » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:25 pm

Martin Walker wrote:
desmond wrote:Mostly to either prevent competitors from trying to implement similar features, or requiring competitors to license technology from them if it's a desirable feature.

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There are plenty of plugins that use various ways of implementing component tolerances/differences to result in subtle character differences...

I get your first post desmond, but then I totally agree with your final one, which seems to cancel out the first.

I'm not sure why you think they are contradictory statements - maybe I wasn't clear. The first point is about what the company is trying to do with their patent application. It's their claim, and their reasons. They either feel they have something unique/novel (either that's true, or they might be wrong), or they are making a claim on it hoping that they can get away with it. Companies do both all the time.

The second statement is what I generally perceive to be true, and why I think - like you also seem to - that the patent (application) is a bit of a "reach", as I don't think it's anything particularly novel (unless there are some details in the specifics that make it so - I have no particular knowledge on that.)

Martin Walker wrote:Yes, there are already lots of plug-in developers who have implemented random parameter variations (Tokyo Dawn Labs in their brilliant SlickEQ M for instance) - it's not hard, and neither is it particularly clever, it's just a useful addition to the plug-in arsenal.

But patent-pending from Brainworx?

Exactly, and I completely agree.

Anyway, a patent application is far from a patent granted, so it's probably not worth worrying about...
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Re: Brainworx bx_console N is on a deal today and tomorrow. It's been a revelation for me.

Postby Martin Walker » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:33 pm

desmond wrote:The second statement is what I generally perceive to be true, and why I think - like you also seem to - that the patent (application) is a bit of a "reach", as I don't think it's anything particularly novel (unless there are some details in the specifics that make it so - I have no particular knowledge on that.)

If you're interested, I included a link to the Brainworx patent application in my above post ;)

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170060527A1/en

Here's the Abstract:

"A digital emulation of an analog device with tolerance modeling is disclosed. In operation, a model of an analog circuit is provided. The model includes the location of each individual element in the analog circuit. The model also includes a working value for each individual element as well as a tolerance range for each individual element. A randomized working value is then generated for one or more of each individual element based on the tolerance range and the working value. A digital emulation of the analog circuit is performed. The digital emulation uses the randomized working value for one or more of the each individual element and the working value for any remaining of each individual element. The digital emulation is then provided to a user for use in a digital environment."

desmond wrote:Anyway, a patent application is far from a patent granted, so it's probably not worth worrying about...

Exactly - I'm of the firm opinion that applying for a patent in this case is simply a way of shouting about this feature from the rooftops, whether or not it's actually that novel ;)

Oh, and apologies to AlasdairEaston for hijacking his thread :oops:


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Re: Brainworx bx_console N is on a deal today and tomorrow. It's been a revelation for me.

Postby desmond » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:38 pm

Martin Walker wrote:If you're interested, I included a link to the Brainworx patent application in my above post ;)

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170060527A1/en

If I was interested in reading the patent application, I would have done so, and probably referenced it more specifically in my post... ;)

As I say - nothing novel there, imo.
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Postby blinddrew » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:01 pm

Apologies Desmond, i think i also misread your post.

And i agree, from the abstract i don't see how that gets past the Alice test.
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Re: Brainworx bx_console N is on a deal today and tomorrow. It's been a revelation for me.

Postby resistorman » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:39 am

I have one of their SSL channel strips and that goes on every channel by default. I may not use it, but I find the quality is excellent for regular mixing duties, so will switch it on if I need eq or compression.
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Postby Trent in WA » Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:51 pm

I don't usually buy a plugin sight unseen, but based on the price and on the OP's glowing review (which doesn't sound like it comes from someone whose default setting is "glowing review"), I bought it and then tried it out on a couple of tracks last night.

Wow.... Just, wow. It delivered as promised. Figuring out how to set the gate and compressor took about ten minutes of fiddling and reading the manual, but after that, everything on these two tracks just gelled without much fuss. As plugins go, it's glorious. Worth it at full price, and at that discount? Get it while the getting is good!
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Re: Brainworx bx_console N is on a deal today and tomorrow. It's been a revelation for me.

Postby CS70 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:34 pm

resistorman wrote:I have one of their SSL channel strips and that goes on every channel by default. I may not use it, but I find the quality is excellent for regular mixing duties, so will switch it on if I need eq or compression.

Chris Lord-Alge apparently does the same.
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Postby blinddrew » Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:48 pm

Just downloaded the demo on this. Purely to experiment i took an existing project and slapped an instance on every channel.
Cue a really nasty whine with resonances from about 5k upwards.
Trying to listen through it to do some A/B comparison with an untreated version reminded me a lot of the AirWindows console plug in but without the same narrowing effect on the lead vocals and without the sense of muddiness in the lows. But with a 5k squeal.
Going to try it properly on something else later i think.
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Re: Brainworx bx_console N is on a deal today and tomorrow. It's been a revelation for me.

Postby resistorman » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:21 am

CS70 wrote:
resistorman wrote:I have one of their SSL channel strips and that goes on every channel by default. I may not use it, but I find the quality is excellent for regular mixing duties, so will switch it on if I need eq or compression.

Chris Lord-Alge apparently does the same.

:lol: The man has taste! I bought the Neve without even trying it because of the positive results I've had with the SSL strip. $30 is basically beer money these days. I wonder how it will work in tandem with the SSL strip?
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Re: Brainworx bx_console N is on a deal today and tomorrow. It's been a revelation for me.

Postby AlasdairEaston » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:33 am

Blinddrew, the plugin defaults, I think, to have some "analogue" noise present. It's the "V Gain" knob near the top right of the GUI. You can dial this up and down as required (I switch it all the way off). Could your noise be the cumulative effect of having it on all channels then all that through some saturation or heavy compression on a bus or master bus?

There's also the THD "screw" (near the V Gain control) that allows you to dial up the total harmonic distortion. Maybe some combination of that being cranked, plus the V Gain, plus some hard driven inputs (the "In Gain" knob)?

Or do you have an cranked amp sim after the channel strip in the FX chain?

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Re: Brainworx bx_console N is on a deal today and tomorrow. It's been a revelation for me.

Postby blinddrew » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:40 am

Could be any of those apart from the last one. Will have a proper play tomorrow.
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Re: Brainworx bx_console N is on a deal today and tomorrow. It's been a revelation for me.

Postby CS70 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:43 pm

blinddrew wrote:Just downloaded the demo on this. Purely to experiment i took an existing project and slapped an instance on every channel.
Cue a really nasty whine with resonances from about 5k upwards.
Trying to listen through it to do some A/B comparison with an untreated version reminded me a lot of the AirWindows console plug in but without the same narrowing effect on the lead vocals and without the sense of muddiness in the lows. But with a 5k squeal.
Going to try it properly on something else later i think.

Odd, I gave it a quick try after buying it and didn't notice anything untowards.

Maybe a "feature" of the demo? Or maybe my 5K hearing is going already... :lol:
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Re: Brainworx bx_console N is on a deal today and tomorrow. It's been a revelation for me.

Postby desmond » Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:29 pm

Hmm... the SSL E channel strip is on sale now at $49, and the G series at $29... (plus VAT)
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Re: Brainworx bx_console N is on a deal today and tomorrow. It's been a revelation for me.

Postby blinddrew » Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:45 pm

CS70 wrote:
blinddrew wrote:Just downloaded the demo on this. Purely to experiment i took an existing project and slapped an instance on every channel.
Cue a really nasty whine with resonances from about 5k upwards.
Trying to listen through it to do some A/B comparison with an untreated version reminded me a lot of the AirWindows console plug in but without the same narrowing effect on the lead vocals and without the sense of muddiness in the lows. But with a 5k squeal.
Going to try it properly on something else later i think.

Odd, I gave it a quick try after buying it and didn't notice anything untowards.

Maybe a "feature" of the demo? Or maybe my 5K hearing is going already... :lol:
I literally stuck it on about 40 channels and 8 busses and didn't tweak anything. So we can safely say it was neither scientific nor representative. But I've just checked again this arvo and that squeal is consistent throughout all the bussed channels.
I'm hoping to have a more sensible play later on.
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