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Postby soundproofed bob » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:16 pm

Hallo all.

Sometimes in occasional :SOS: article I find words meaning like "this monitor has in the face sound".

Perhaps monitors is also analytical. They are like NS10 but new, modern.

This agressive sound, cured can be?
If one places a Filter (EQ) in middle of signal chain, before monitor. It's going to sound smooth, warm.
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Re: Inserting EQ overall

Postby Dave B » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:22 pm

Not sure that's right. It may well give a little something to the sound which is pleasing, but it will be an output with a dip in the high mids played back over a harsh sounding speaker.

I suppose that it is theoretically possible to compensate using eq as that's how a various 'room correction' type things work. But opinion seems to be split about how well they work (otherwise we would all be doing it).

Remember, one man's 'harsh' is another man's 'forward' or 'strident' so we tend to take reviews like this as a starting point rather than the final word. Me? I actually loved the sound of NS10s but I'm wierd. I now love my AE22s.

I guess the best way of understanding your monitors is to spend time with them and learn how any mix you do on them translates to other systems. Sorry - not sure there are any good shortcuts..
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Re: Inserting EQ overall

Postby blinddrew » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:22 pm

Also you have to remember to cancel that EQ before you render your finished product - otherwise everyone hears that dip...
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Re: Inserting EQ overall

Postby soundproofed bob » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:50 pm

I guess the EQ would be hardware, so no participation in rendering.
Know that it's not like manufacturers of monitor wanted, but.
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Re: Inserting EQ overall

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:45 pm

EQ-ing the monitor speaker signals can be done, obviously, and it used to be a common technique in the 70s and 80s to try and compensate for the poor speaker and room acoustic designs of the day.

But it is not without unwanted side effects -- technical in the form of unwanted phase shifts, and practically in compounding one inaccurate system with another, unless care is taken to make objective before/after measurements.

As Dave says, digital room correction systems apply a form of EQ into the monitoring chain, but the digital FIR filters typically used allow amplitude changes to be made without the corresponding phase changes inherent in analogue EQ.

But fundamentally, if the speaker is 'aggressive' sounding, it really isn't a monitor-grade speaker.
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Re: Inserting EQ overall

Postby soundproofed bob » Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:41 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:EQ-ing the monitor speaker signals can be done, obviously, and it used to be a common technique in the 70s and 80s to try and compensate for the poor speaker and room acoustic designs of the day.
So they did it 70s and 80s, good to know. Since linear-phase EQs introduced latency, I wonder they used mixed type EQs?

Then I got an other question. In theory if monitors are deluxe and you want long long sessions, should you apply smiley curve or low tilt curve?
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Re: Inserting EQ overall

Postby Eddy Deegan » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:07 pm

blinddrew wrote:Also you have to remember to cancel that EQ before you render your finished product - otherwise everyone hears that dip...

This is a very good point.

If you boost or attenuate frequencies in the mix to compensate for issues with your environment and/or your kit then think about what that resulting mix will sound like when played somewhere that doesn't have the same issues you do. It's not going to be good.
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Re: Inserting EQ overall

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:18 pm

Surely that is why having a neutral mixing space is important (or, at least, one you know well enough to compensate)? If your monitors are over bright you would naturally produce dull sounding mixes so the corrective eq would be used to make your mixes more comparable not less?
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Re: Inserting EQ overall

Postby Eddy Deegan » Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:38 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:Surely that is why having a neutral mixing space is important (or, at least, one you know well enough to compensate)? If your monitors are over bright you would naturally produce dull sounding mixes so the corrective eq would be used to make your mixes more comparable not less?

Speaking from experience, absolutely. Visiting some of our forum friends over the last year or so who have treated environments was a huge ear-opener for me and that's no small part of the motivation behind my current project to build a decent environment in my converted roof space.
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Re: Inserting EQ overall

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:01 pm

In my case it was refurbishing my studio that did it. I was forced into doing it by a minor flood but the difference is amazing, I wish I'd done it years ago.
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Re: Inserting EQ overall

Postby Luke W » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:32 am

Yep, I still say the room is the best money I've spent on audio kit.
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