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Re: Adding Color to a Master Track

Postby CS70 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:24 am

Occasionally I get drums e-drums recorded by bands with good songs and good attitude but not much recording skills, as stereo tracks.

It's a pain in the bottom, so I must like the song quite a bit and they are informed that it will take a sizable chunk of time, but you can always create a reinforcement performance based on a stereo mix with MIDI and a drum synth. Oftentimes kick and snare are enough, some rare times you need to go full monty with the cymbals as well (and then I really need to like the song). The drums should be well played, otherwise it's not worth it.

After doing that, you can transform whatever pitiful recording in a mother of god performance with little effort, as you have total control not only of the normal tools, but also of the basic sample.

It's how I learned to program drums.

Worth doing it only if it's worth doing, so to say.
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Re: Adding Color to a Master Track

Postby Mike Stranks » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:27 am

I've not listened to your track, but it seems that in addition to what's been stated you may have monitoring issues.

Do you mix in a room with acoustic treatment? If not, that has to be your first priority. Without getting your room acoustics under control you'll be chasing your tail forever trying to get a mix that sounds good anywhere but in your room.

I find that if I'm having to call up this effect, then this plug-in, then 'maybe this will help' I'm on a slippery slope trying to deal with something that should have been tackled earlier in the recording chain. But if you want a mastering plugin this is well-worth getting - especially at this price: https://www.izotope.com/en/shop/ozone-elements.html?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=SU_SE_BR_UU_WW_Ozone&utm_content=Ozone-Elements_EM&utm_term=ozone%20elements|e|g|c||490429158139&gclid=CjwKCAiA9bmABhBbEiwASb35V9HDyvPuc54YLnBVg3dWqNMEkzZn3TdXtqz9S_lxfvU9Wph7D0gCvxoCcLwQAvD_BwE

Just don't be tempted to use it indiscriminately... less is usually more. :)
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Re: Adding Color to a Master Track

Postby Hunter A. » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:39 pm

Unfortunately, I do not have a room with acoustic treatment. I've just gotten into music production and only invest in improvements when I have the money and opportunity.
In the future, I hope to be able to build up a decent studio overtime, but as of right now I am working with the bare minimum to recording a band.
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Re: Adding Color to a Master Track

Postby Mike Stranks » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:52 pm

Hunter A. wrote:Unfortunately, I do not have a room with acoustic treatment. I've just gotten into music production and only invest in improvements when I have the money and opportunity.
In the future, I hope to be able to build up a decent studio overtime, but as of right now I am working with the bare minimum to recording a band.

If you're serious about recording and mixing music then acoustic treatment has to be a top priority. I'd seriously recommend that you do not spend another cent on gear of any kind - and that includes plug-ins - until you've got some basic treatment in place. Or learn to work much more on good open-back headphones such as the AKG 701/702/712.

Basic acoustic treatment doesn't need to be hugely expensive; if you can handle basic DIY then you could make some yourself. Plenty of advice here from people who've done it that way. :)

And pending installing 'proper' treatment you could try using quilts/duvets strategically placed.
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Re: Adding Color to a Master Track

Postby CS70 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:53 pm

Hunter A. wrote:but as of right now I am working with the bare minimum to recording a band.

Er.. good acoustic is the bare minimum for recording a band. :lol:
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Re: Adding Color to a Master Track

Postby Martin Walker » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:02 pm

CS70 wrote:
Hunter A. wrote:but as of right now I am working with the bare minimum to recording a band.

Er.. good acoustic is the bare minimum for recording a band. :lol:

+1 on this - if you're recording a band in a space, then the 'sound' of that space will be captured by the microphones, so if it's a bad-sounding room, your recordings in it will sound bad as well.

Yes, you can minimise this aspect by close miking, but your recordings will still be compromised.

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Re: Adding Color to a Master Track

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:28 pm

Hunter A, would you be able to give a more detailed run down of how you record the band*, it would probably help the more knowledgable amongst us (i.e. not me) to identify specific areas that are causing problems, photos** of the room, guitar mic position, mixing setup and that sort of thing?

I rather like the track but agree with the comments above about the guitars (hence the request for a guitar mic pic) being over bright and other elements. The drums, for me, sound lacking in both bass and top end 'sparkle'. A half decent e-drum kit should be able to put out an acceptable stereo drum track (but make sure the drummer is recording dry, no reverb). I think you have much bigger issues to address than minutely eq-ing the individual drums, it's what you have so get a reasonable sound and move on. I also think the vocal sounds a little 'polite' at times and is 'relatively' too quiet when the guitars are in.

I will also endorse the need acoustic treatment. Good recording and mixing environments are essential.

* Is it a band together in a room or a one man recording one track at a time or WHY?

** The forum doesn't host images so you'll need to host them elsewhere, I use imgur, and then copy the 'direct link' if the image (not the page URL) and past it between the forum's Img tabs.
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Re: Adding Color to a Master Track

Postby Mike Stranks » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:36 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:
** The forum doesn't host images so you'll need to host them elsewhere, I use imgur, and then copy the 'direct link' if the image (not the page URL) and past it between the forum's Img tabs.

... and here's a video showing how to do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7vVDGTOHW0
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