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Re: Reaching the limits?

Postby blinddrew » Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:35 pm

Thanks for listening James, and looking up the second reference, i thought I'd added the youtube link but plainly not.
The drums are from Abbey road vintage drummer so I'll have a look at what I can do from there.
I'll have a longer listen for those timing issues as well.

Here's the GAI link I should have posted earlier: https://youtu.be/pdpsUwenwJs
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Re: Reaching the limits?

Postby James Perrett » Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:04 am

blinddrew wrote:The drums are from Abbey road vintage drummer so I'll have a look at what I can do from there.
I'll have a longer listen for those timing issues as well.

Here's the GAI link I should have posted earlier: https://youtu.be/pdpsUwenwJs

Did you use those drums on another track previously where I made similar comments or was that someone else? To my ears they sound like a poorly recorded kit played very cautiously - more like an amateur band rehearsing in a village hall. Given the sound that you are aiming for, I'm sure that there are much more appropriate samples that you could use. I also think that the bass drum pattern could be simplified and the toms given a more contrasting sound as the rhythm trips over itself at times. To me it feels that the instrumentation needs to be simple and direct in order to support the vocals.
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Re: Reaching the limits?

Postby blinddrew » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:55 am

Yep, same drums different song. They're the only drum samples I have other than the Manda Power drummer set (that I just don't get on with).
Now that you've given me some pointers I'm sure that I can improve on what's there, but I do want to keep the patterns as much as I can. To me it's the rhythmic complexity that gives it some interest, take that away and it's a fairly dull piece.
I appreciate that I'm arguing drums with a drummer - which isn't advisable at the best of times - but I am definitely going to take all this on board and see what i can do. :thumbup:
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Re: Reaching the limits?

Postby RichardT » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:23 am

Any more interest in having 'Blue Fingers' as a mix rescue?
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Re: Reaching the limits?

Postby James Perrett » Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:24 pm

blinddrew wrote:Yep, same drums different song. They're the only drum samples I have other than the Manda Power drummer set (that I just don't get on with).

It might be worth getting hold of some bread and butter drum samples - even one of the free XG VSTi's or Magix's Independence Free could give you some better alternatives. To my ears, the Abbey Road kit is a bit specialised and there are very few circumstances where it would be appropriate. Mind you, I also like the Manda samples so our taste in drums is almost certainly very different ;)
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Re: Reaching the limits?

Postby blinddrew » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:01 pm

I suspect if you're hearing a problem with my use of the Abbey road stuff it's a picnic error. ;)
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Re: Reaching the limits?

Postby blinddrew » Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:58 pm

RichardT wrote:Any more interest in having 'Blue Fingers' as a mix rescue?
Bump to get the thread back on track.

Sorry Richard!
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Re: Reaching the limits?

Postby RichardT » Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:34 pm

blinddrew wrote:
RichardT wrote:Any more interest in having 'Blue Fingers' as a mix rescue?
Bump to get the thread back on track.

Sorry Richard!

No problem, Drew!
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Re: Reaching the limits?

Postby James Perrett » Sun May 02, 2021 2:59 pm

I heard this today and it made me think of the drums on Drew's song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaSf30er0_U

In this case the rhythm is driven by the ride cymbal rather than the toms and the lightly hit snare is just used for punctuation until right at the end where it doubles the handclaps. Having the rhythm carried by the ride gives plenty of space lower down in the spectrum for other things. I just thought it was an interesting alternative way of building up a song.
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Re: Reaching the limits?

Postby blinddrew » Sun May 02, 2021 4:49 pm

Blimey, not heard that in a long while. I'm a big fan of his later stuff.
Interesting rhythm device though, reminds me a bit of this song by Geoffrey Oryema, but here it's the hi-hat that's doing the heavy lifting with a bit of assistance from the ride (until the kick and finally the snare come in at the third verse and outro respectively): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZRFfATmWe8
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