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Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby Zukan » Mon May 17, 2021 8:40 am

I have a student who wants to buy a new Mac. I teach him both audio production and video editing. He is 13 years old and will be starting a new audio/media course at school this fall and they will be using iMacs, iMovie, Cartoon 3 and Photoshop. He will be using Reaper and the design software with his new Mac.

His parents have the money to buy him either the new M1 Mac or the standard Intel based i5 jobbie.

My concern is: will all the software work with the M1 and will he benefit from purchasing the M1 or should he opt for the Intel based Mac?
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby Kwackman » Mon May 17, 2021 8:47 am

As M1 is the latest Apple chip, the i5/7/9 series will probably be phased out, I'd suggest "yay", to elongate compatibility with future Mac OS.
The Apple owned programs will (hopefully!) be fully compatible, I'd a quick google and photoshop seems to run on the M1 too. Couldn't find out about Cartoon 3.
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby Luke W » Mon May 17, 2021 8:57 am

Tough call at the moment... For me they're at that in-between point where I probably wouldn't want to go for either! But if it had to be now then I'd probably lean towards the M1 as well.
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby RichardT » Mon May 17, 2021 9:07 am

The M1 is quicker than Intel chips at rendering tasks - so I’d go for the M1. The Apple software will all work, and Photoshop runs natively on Apple Silicon.

Cartoon 3 is the only possible issue I can see. I can’t find it using Google so I’ve no idea whether it would work!
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby Forum Admin » Mon May 17, 2021 10:58 am

I'm using a MacBookPro M1 and love it. It renders video so fast and feels so responsive when opening windows/apps that going back to an Intel iMac is purgatory.

M1's Rosetta 2 Intel emulator is very good, and whilst the first time you open a non-Silicon-ready app it takes a bit longer, it opens quickly next time and from thereon in.

Abdullah Diaa's website keeps an app database of what works natively with M1 Silicon:

https://isapplesiliconready.com

Personally, I'd get his parents to buy him an M1 Mac.
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby Forum Admin » Mon May 17, 2021 11:03 am

RichardT wrote:Cartoon 3 is the only possible issue I can see. I can’t find it using Google so I’ve no idea whether it would work!

Is the student referring perhaps to Cartoon Wars 3?

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cartoon-wars-3/id919010633
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby Zukan » Mon May 17, 2021 12:21 pm

Not sure Knower. I'm waiting to find out more. His teacher suggested those particular apps/software.
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby ManFromGlass » Mon May 17, 2021 1:09 pm

Won’t the storage limitation of the M1 be a consideration unless he wants to lug around an external drive? I can imagine a keener filling up a drive with projects quickly.
Then again, the torture of working with an iMac at school while having an M1 at home might be a consideration.
We have an M1 Air here and I think it was a great move for our needs.
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Postby Zukan » Mon May 17, 2021 1:15 pm

The new iMac 24" hits the bill perfectly in terms of ram and hd....It's whether the software will run seamlessly with the M1 that I am interested in.
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby ManFromGlass » Mon May 17, 2021 1:23 pm

Good point - will M1 projects open on an iMac?
I guess it depends if the code writers start taking advantage of the chip in some form of non-backwards compatible way.
If I was using Logic on the M1 I don’t think I could open the file on my current tower set up. I’ve had this error message recently with a friends Logic file.
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Postby Zukan » Mon May 17, 2021 1:31 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:Good point - will M1 projects open on an iMac?
I guess it depends if the code writers start taking advantage of the chip in some form of non-backwards compatible way.
If I was using Logic on the M1 I don’t think I could open the file on my current tower set up. I’ve had this error message recently with a friends Logic file.

Damn.
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby Forum Admin » Mon May 17, 2021 2:09 pm

Hadn't realised the student would be moving things from a classroom iMac to his home M1... in which case best buy an Intel Mac to make transfers to classroom Intel easy-peasy.
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby Kwackman » Mon May 17, 2021 2:50 pm

Couple of points.

It's possible in a year or so the schools will be changing their Macs, and probably only M1 models will be available.

The iMac will still be useful after he finished his course- might as well be an M1.

Some programs let you export for previous versions. I use this on Apples "numbers" to transfer files to my really old iMac. Maybe similar options are available, if needed, on the applications that are relevant to him?
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby James Perrett » Mon May 17, 2021 3:26 pm

I'd be very surprised if M1 projects couldn't be opened on Intel Macs if they were both using the same version of software. This would affect huge numbers of people who need to swap projects and I think we would have heard all kinds of angry shouts if it were the case.

It appears that there is a beta version of Reaper for M1 but for best compatibility with Intel plug-ins they advice using the Intel version on M1 at the moment. I presume this plug-in compatibility issue will affect most software.
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Re: Apple M1 chip, yay or ney?

Postby Zukan » Mon May 17, 2021 4:01 pm

Still confused.

Ok, so the cartoon software is called Comic Life 3.
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