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Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:06 pm
by Stickman0_3
"Some Guys Have All The Luck". I was listening to this today, the version by Rod Sterwart.

I realized that the lyrics are totally different. So I was just wondering, who owns the song as I've come across three or four versions of it?

Re: Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:19 pm
by desmond
Allmusic says composed by Jeff Fortang...

https://www.allmusic.com/artist/jeff-fo ... 0000812314

Re: Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:48 pm
by Stickman0_3
So how come the lyrics are totally different between Robert Palmers version from 1982 and Rod Stewarts version from 1984?

Has the track got a Creative Commons 4.0 By Share Alike license? Meaning the user can share and mix the song free of charge?

Re: Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:14 pm
by desmond
Maybe the composer wrote multiple versions? Maybe it was adapted differently for different artists? Who knows?

I haven't compared the lyrics, so don't know how extensively the differences are. Both versions have the same writer/composer credits. I'm not sure why it matters to you so much, other than a curiosity about the differing versions...

I'm not sure what this has to do with a creative commons licence..?

Edit: of course, should have looked at Wikipedia:

"Some Guys Have All the Luck" is a song written by Jeff Fortgang,[1] which has been a Top 40 hit on the Billboard Hot 100 twice, first by The Persuaders in 1973 reaching #39,[2] then by Rod Stewart in 1984, whose version hit #10. Stewart's version incorporated a vocal refrain from "Ain't Got No Home" by Clarence "Frogman" Henry. The Shakers recorded it for their debut album Yankee Reggae (Elektra, 1976)[3] and released the song as promo-only 45 rpm single.

Fortgang wrote many songs during his three years in the music industry after graduating Yale in 1971, but sold only this one (other than several public service radio spots on topics such as alcoholism and VD). He went on to get a PhD in Clinical Psychology, and still works in the mental health field in the Boston area. The major hit by Stewart arrived after Fortgang was well into his psychology career.[citation needed] While Fortgang would eventually release a solo album in 2013, titled All the Music in the World, consisting of the demos he had created in the 1970s, "Some Guys Have All the Luck" was not one of the tracks.[4]

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Other artists who have recorded the song include Robert Palmer (UK #16 in 1982),[6] whose version had a significantly altered melody and lyrics, as well as a number of reggae artists, including Junior Tucker,[7] Derrick Harriott,[8] Camera Obscura, Jacob Miller,[9] Judge Dread[10], and the Shakers.[3] Rod Stewart began using the Palmer-style arrangement in live concerts in 2003 after Palmer's death as a tribute, with live female backup vocalists and a horn player wearing identical dresses, similar to Palmer's signature music videos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Guys ... l_the_Luck

Re: Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:43 pm
by Stickman0_3
I'm just curious, that's all.

Re: Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:46 am
by Eazy360
Stickman0_3 wrote:I'm just curious, that's all.
The lyrics are good!

Re: Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:18 pm
by JamesKitcher
Also worth bearing in mind, with a song there's almost always TWO copyrights.

There's a copyright for the musical works, and a copyright for the sound recording

This is why you have mechanical and writers split royalties, and 'written by / produced by' distinctions on an inlay. Hopefully I got that right! There's a good article here if you want a more in-depth explanation.

https://masur.com/songs-and-records-two ... opyrights/

Re: Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:55 pm
by forumuser939850
It gets more complicated than just the 2 copyrights. A) THere is also synchronization rights for adding sound to moving pictures,e.g. YouTube and B) then there is usually a mechanism that makes it easy to cover songs, e.g. compulsory license in the US, I believe it's called, but the lawyers may tell you can't alter the lyrics of a cover because then you can't expect the compulsory license to work anymore. But how that is in your country exactly I can't tell you and if there hasn't been a lawsuit over this, even the lawyers may not yet know how all the legal situation. Frustrating situation.

Re: Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:54 am
by Eazy360
forumuser939850 wrote:It gets more complicated than just the 2 copyrights. A) THere is also synchronization rights for adding sound to moving pictures,e.g. YouTube and B) then there is usually a mechanism that makes it easy to cover songs, e.g. compulsory license in the US, I believe it's called, but the lawyers may tell you can't alter the lyrics of a cover because then you can't expect the compulsory license to work anymore. But how that is in your country exactly I can't tell you and if there hasn't been a lawsuit over this, even the lawyers may not yet know how all the legal situation. Frustrating situation.

It is indeed frustrating. I can sought of relate bro.

Re: Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:55 am
by Eazy360
Have you found out what you are finally going to do?

Re: Who owns the song?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:38 am
by Tuseth
Usual all depends by the contract if the artist is signed to a label in most cases for old songs its owned by the label now a days alot of musicians self produce to get all the rights but like they've said before there are multiple rights to a single song so it depends widely