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Re: Can someone still make it now? What are the odds? Mixerman says we are all hobbyists now.

Postby hobbyist » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:38 am

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hobbyist wrote:I realise there are differences between us and the continent.
And it is hard to make govt smaller once it has started growing.

Government has no valid business providing anything but law and order including military, and sound money. That would include protecting people from scams fraud and externalities. Everything govt does otherwise is just an excuse to grow government.

Everybody's entitled to an opinion, and they come a dime a dozen. You will find that most people in Europe do not share yours, and works on different assumptions. I am sure you can see that?

In the end govt will take all we make and give very little while the 'crats live high on the hog.

If you look at evidence, you will find out that it is not necessarily so. There's plenty countries with fairly large government where graft is not endemic at all. There are, of course, many large government countries where it is, and so there are small government countries which work and other which don't. Slogans aren't useful at all.


The problem you note is because govt is still in the charity biz.
Folks do not see the need to give as much when they are paying so much to govt who is supposedly taking care of charity. Get govt out of the charity biz and people would willingly give the truly needy as much as possible. Note that the way they are breeding like bunnies they will grow so large as to unsustainable by us or the govt. We need a tax on kids. pay 250,000 usd to buy a license to have another kid as that is the true cost of raising them until they contribute and finally to care for them after they cant work until they die.

It's hard - actually, meaningless - to discuss such statements without being sure that there's enough common understanding...

Wealth concentration is meaningless. It is just envy being used as a scare tactic by the left. Why shouldnt people who create more value keep some of what they create? Either they spend the money helping the economy, or they invest it to create jobs to make more money, or they put in a bank who invests it. Anyway you slice it they are helping everybody do better. The real problem is the people who dont work , drop out of school, have lots of bastards, and expect everybody to take care of them and their kids.

..and it is pretty obvious that there isn't. ;-)

I understand some of the differences between US and EU.
I realise that many people think govt should give them stuff.

Evil and crime are everywhere. In the end every govt enslaves the people. Some take longer, Others are overthrown before it happens.
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Postby blinddrew » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:17 am

It must be pretty grim living in such a relentlessly negative world.
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Postby Mike Stranks » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:45 am

Deep breaths... count to 20... take stock...

I've never been to the States, but I do read a lot, watch 'sensible TV' documentaries and have conversed with many US citizens about socialism, government, self-help, charity, Christianity etc.

From those observations, conversations and recent posts in various threads here it's increasingly apparent to me how wide the gulf is in life-philosophies between the majority of people in the States and in the UK - and even more so in the Nordic countries.

Unless one has lived for some time in both cultures any attempted dialogue or comment on life-philosophy issues is futile. The other party simply won't comprehend - in the fullest sense of the word - what you mean.
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Postby hobbyist » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:22 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:Deep breaths... count to 20... take stock...

I've never been to the States, but I do read a lot, watch 'sensible TV' documentaries and have conversed with many US citizens about socialism, government, self-help, charity, Christianity etc.

From those observations, conversations and recent posts in various threads here it's increasingly apparent to me how wide the gulf is in life-philosophies between the majority of people in the States and in the UK - and even more so in the Nordic countries.

Unless one has lived for some time in both cultures any attempted dialogue or comment on life-philosophy issues is futile. The other party simply won't comprehend - in the fullest sense of the word - what you mean.


Completely agree.
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Postby hobbyist » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:23 pm

blinddrew wrote:It must be pretty grim living in such a relentlessly negative world.


Yes. This world is very grim.

I truly hope the next is as good as they promise believers.
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Postby MOF » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:44 pm

Unless one has lived for some time in both cultures any attempted dialogue or comment on life-philosophy issues is futile. The other party simply won't comprehend - in the fullest sense of the word - what you mean.
I don’t understand how the USA is happy to pay for education ‘for all’ as an ‘insurance’ policy which ensures that their society has an educated work force to create the goods and services that provide their wealth. Yet keeping those expensively educated people in good health is left to a largely private health and insurance sector.
I’ve never been to the states and frankly its abilities to take some sensible action on gun laws puts me off ever going.
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Postby Hugh Robjohns » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:45 pm

hobbyist wrote:This world is very grim.

It is only ever what you make of it.

I enjoy my life very much. In my experience so far, the pleasures more than make up for the difficulties.

I truly hope the next is as good as they promise believers.

Are you sure you can trust 'them' and their promises? ;)

I'm busy making the very best of this one... :wave:
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Postby CS70 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:01 pm

hobbyist wrote:Yes. This world is very grim.

- "Am I dyin'?"
- YES
- "Will I die"?
- YES

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Postby Mike Stranks » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:25 pm

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Mike Stranks wrote:Deep breaths... count to 20... take stock...

I've never been to the States, but I do read a lot, watch 'sensible TV' documentaries and have conversed with many US citizens about socialism, government, self-help, charity, Christianity etc.

From those observations, conversations and recent posts in various threads here it's increasingly apparent to me how wide the gulf is in life-philosophies between the majority of people in the States and in the UK - and even more so in the Nordic countries.

Unless one has lived for some time in both cultures any attempted dialogue or comment on life-philosophy issues is futile. The other party simply won't comprehend - in the fullest sense of the word - what you mean.


Completely agree.

Excellent! I'd clearly misunderstood your posts and assumed you were talking about any system of Governmen., not just the one you have in the States.
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Postby CS70 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:41 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:From those observations, conversations and recent posts in various threads here it's increasingly apparent to me how wide the gulf is in life-philosophies between the majority of people in the States and in the UK - and even more so in the Nordic countries.

Unless one has lived for some time in both cultures any attempted dialogue or comment on life-philosophy issues is futile. The other party simply won't comprehend - in the fullest sense of the word - what you mean.

It can be of some comfort that, while there are surely a lot of people who haven't a clue and don't want to (and often suffer of Dunning-Kruger), there's also large groups who understand and are genuinely interested in using the best of the two (or any, really) world views - on both sides of the Atlantic.

They are sometimes overshadowed by the quantity and cacophony of the former group, but they're still there, and do tend to get the upper hand in the end.. because reality always wins at some point, and the willingly clueless are always less well equipped to deal with it than those who aren't. Such is the history of humanity since its inception in the steppes some 20000 years ago. It can take a painful long time, admittedly..
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Postby hobbyist » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:33 am

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Unless one has lived for some time in both cultures any attempted dialogue or comment on life-philosophy issues is futile. The other party simply won't comprehend - in the fullest sense of the word - what you mean.
I don’t understand how the USA is happy to pay for education ‘for all’ as an ‘insurance’ policy which ensures that their society has an educated work force to create the goods and services that provide their wealth. Yet keeping those expensively educated people in good health is left to a largely private health and insurance sector.
I’ve never been to the states and frankly its abilities to take some sensible action on gun laws puts me off ever going.


I think you have been misinformed.
The USA is not happy to give free education to all. That is a promise being made by the hard core left along with a bunch of other crazy socialist/communist ideas they are pushing.

The private sector provides health care faster better cheaper easier than when the govt is involved. Veterans stuck with govt VA benefits get poor care and wait much longer.

We have thousands of gun laws. Guns are not a problem. The problem is people. We need laws to make people stop doing bad things not confiscate guns so that we are all at risk when the bad guys start shooting. Many times a legally armed civilian has stopped a shooter when they could have continued to kill many people had the citizens been disarmed.

Some places have required gun ownership. Their crime rates have dropped very significantly. Baddies dont want to risk robbing or mugging in an area where people can protect themselves.
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Postby hobbyist » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:41 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
hobbyist wrote:This world is very grim.

It is only ever what you make of it.

I enjoy my life very much. In my experience so far, the pleasures more than make up for the difficulties.

I truly hope the next is as good as they promise believers.

Are you sure you can trust 'them' and their promises? ;)

I'm busy making the very best of this one... :wave:

It pretty much tells me what I can make of it.
I have never really been happy for more than a day except once during junior year of college when that summer I do recall being happy for several weeks in a row. Other than that it is a day here or there at most with the rest of the time blah or bad.

I do not trust 'them'. I believe the bible as a big picture, similar to a BNW TV with rabbit ears and a noisy picture, but not the details. You can make out the picture but look at any pixel/verse you will be wrong more than right.

I am still trying to figure out how to ensure moving on to a better life.
If we all just die so we get only a good nights sleep forever that is okay with me. But there is some evidence to say that some of the things in the Bible are true. And I have had some very strange experiences which makes it easier for me to believe.

God is easy. Else tell me where all this stuff we see came from.

Existence of Christ Jesus the Nazarene has plenty of evidence. There is evidence that he did arise from the dead. That is pretty powerful support for what He claims and said. Understanding what He really meant is my hang up.
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Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:07 am

hobbyist wrote:I have never really been happy for more than a day...

I think that comes across in many of your posts... I genuinely feel very sorry for you -- that's a very sad situation.

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Postby Mike Stranks » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:45 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
hobbyist wrote:I have never really been happy for more than a day...

I think that comes across in many of your posts... I genuinely feel very sorry for you -- that's a very sad situation.

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Indeed! Many here know that I make no secret of the fact that I've been in some very dark places and still have my issues to deal with. But generally things are good and I'm happy far more than I'm not.

This is direct personal experience talking here... have you talked to your minister or other trusted person at church about this... or a doctor or other clinical professional? Don't keep it to yourself; I did for years (or thought I was) and came to regret it. It's good to talk!

Thanks for your honesty in sharing what you have. That's not always easy to do.

I'll refrain from any Bible stuff... not the place! But PM me if you want.

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Postby hobbyist » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:49 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:
hobbyist wrote:I have never really been happy for more than a day...

I think that comes across in many of your posts... I genuinely feel very sorry for you -- that's a very sad situation.

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Indeed! Many here know that I make no secret of the fact that I've been in some very dark places and still have my issues to deal with. But generally things are good and I'm happy far more than I'm not.

This is direct personal experience talking here... have you talked to your minister or other trusted person at church about this... or a doctor or other clinical professional? Don't keep it to yourself; I did for years (or thought I was) and came to regret it. It's good to talk!

Thanks for your honesty in sharing what you have. That's not always easy to do.

I'll refrain from any Bible stuff... not the place! But PM me if you want.

Mike

Thanks.

As I got older it was improving somewhat but then my wife shot herself.
Could not take the back pain and docs made a big point out of not giving pain medicine if she had surgery.

I am getting over that . But it takes time.
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