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Re: The "wrong way" to ignore sampling / copyright ?

Postby Aurongroove » Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:02 pm

simply lifting a recognisable chunk of someone else’s work is woefully unimaginative.

I see that as narrow minded(and wrong);
It rules out recontextualization, irony, parody, satire, as a form of creativity, when in fact creativity should never be bound.

For example, Tom Waits uses 'The Bridal March' (theme from Richard Wagner's Bridal Chorus) verbatim at the end of his track 'Better off Without a Wife'

He's not being "so unimaginative that he needs to steal the work of Richard Wagner"
He's recontextualizing the material as part of his own creative expression, in this instance satirically, and with the in-studio audience audibly laughing along to his inclusion of it (finding it's context comical).
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Re: The "wrong way" to ignore sampling / copyright ?

Postby Aurongroove » Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:11 pm

If someone was truly unique and invented a completely new form of foundation, building fabric and covering, metaphorical or literal, then I think that would hardly constitute gibberish expression.
It would constitute exactly that.

Use music theory much?
western harmony?
any scale/mode/or alternative tuning?
Use melody much?
Use instruments?
Use major/minor scales?
Use equal temperament?
Use language?
use rhythm?

Bach could claim copyright on everyone in the last 300 years who put a II>V>I chord sequence on their songs, and almost every other commonly used chord sequence you can play on an equally tempered instrument for the lion's share of modern music history.


if you want "100% truly original audio" your only option is to listen to white noise, and even that's been done.
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Re: The "wrong way" to ignore sampling / copyright ?

Postby shufflebeat » Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:26 pm

Aurongroove wrote:...recontextualization, irony, parody, satire, as a form of creativity...

All pretty well catered for within the law, if memory serves.
...when in fact creativity should never be bound.

Or pirated,

For example, Tom Waits uses 'The Bridal March' (theme from Richard Wagner's Bridal Chorus) verbatim at the end of his track 'Better off Without a Wife'

Irrelevant, out of copyright.
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Re: The "wrong way" to ignore sampling / copyright ?

Postby Agharta » Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:27 pm

Pink noise for the win!
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Re: The "wrong way" to ignore sampling / copyright ?

Postby Aurongroove » Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:45 pm

There are a few strangeness's in your argument Mr.shuffle but, I must retire for the evening as my cat has "gone mental". :beamup:
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Re: The "wrong way" to ignore sampling / copyright ?

Postby shufflebeat » Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:53 pm

Ok, see you when your cat recovers.
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Re: The "wrong way" to ignore sampling / copyright ?

Postby blinddrew » Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:00 pm

Aurongroove wrote:I'm not a US citizen for example. What are they doing to do, import me to the USA to stand trial? Order my government to arrest me? for the stealing of a few seconds worth of recorded music.
I don't have 135k to my name.
A death sentence?
The US is not above using political pressure to lean on countries, even theoretically strong western ones, to make them take action against their own citizens. Jon Johansen in Norway springs rapidly to mind.
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Re: The "wrong way" to ignore sampling / copyright ?

Postby MOF » Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:07 pm

Use music theory much?
western harmony?
any scale/mode/or alternative tuning?
Use melody much?
Use instruments?
Use major/minor scales?
Use equal temperament?
Use language?
use rhythm?

Some forms of Modern Jazz and music concrete. Not my thing but those who like those art forms don’t think they’re gibberish.
I presume your new piece is a work of comedy or satire? Let’s hope the lawyers have a GSOH. :lol:
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