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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby DC-Choppah » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:47 am

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desmond wrote:That is the sense that I believe DC means they are "the same". From the point of view of the artist.

Yes. The point of view of the copyright holder. The copyright holder usually includes the artist.




5G technology is currently contemplating computer memory architectures with built in wireless connections. This allows memory on one device to read/write directly from another device remotely using proprietary interfaces. I suppose a new word will be coined for moving a song that way. It is not a stream, but a 'beam'.

So then we will be playing whack -a-mole and be back here arguing if a 'beam' is the same as a 'stream'.

From the rights holder's/artist's point of view it is all the same. The song/music is what is being protected. What we choose to value and protect, is the ability to allow the artist to control the right to copy his work so that he can make a livelihood. I respect that.

I hope the MPs have that point of view and don't get distracted by the technicalities of digital media.
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby N i g e l » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:02 am

Musicians from Radiohead, Gomez and Elbow tell MPs that the industry must reform and be made fairer

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... guy-garvey
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby Martin Walker » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:35 pm

All good stuff, but I won't believe that anything will be done by the government until something is actually done ;)

However, this bit did give me a tiny bit of encouragement:

"After hearing the evidence, Julie Elliott MP said it sounded as if the three major labels – Warner Brothers, Sony and Universal – were operating “like a cartel” because of what Gray called “suspiciously similar” artist contracts."


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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby TheLegit » Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:41 am

I think the monthly cost for streaming should be doubled and that passed onto the musicians, still an incredibly cheap proposition to have access to all that music and if you don't like it buy downloads off I-Tunes, and if you don't like that lump it.

Like Noel Gallagher (I think) said people can fork out 3-4 quid for a coffee but you can't buy a song for 99p. I think there should be a push by Governments globally and media to outline the value of music and the lack of cash that goes to musicians under the current model. Once you have the public well informed and onside move to increase the monthly charge.
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby Wonks » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:49 am

TheLegit wrote:Like Noel Gallagher (I think) said people can fork out 3-4 quid for a coffee but you can't buy a song for 99p
I think you meant to write 'can buy a song for 99p'.
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby MOF » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:38 pm

TheLegit wrote:
Like Noel Gallagher (I think) said people can fork out 3-4 quid for a coffee but you can't buy a song for 99p
I think you meant to write 'can buy a song for 99p'.

I think Noel’s statement was effectively a question, if literally written down it does seem strange, it needed a ‘?’ added on the end.
I watched Neil Brand’s TV theme tunes programme last week and he mentioned that the Coronation Street theme composer was paid £6 for the six episodes it was originally intended to accompany, even allowing for inflation it doesn’t seem like a very good rate. I can’t find out if he got paid for all the thousands of times it has been used subsequently.
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby uselessoldman » Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:16 am

I am sure most of you are aware of the utube issues with regards to copyright and usage of "owned" music/monitorisation of uploads. The major music labels are the worlds largest abusers of cartel practices, they will do what ever it takes to milk ANYONE for what they can LEGALLY or not.

MY question would be "do you need a record label anymore in 2020"? You can record mix produce your own music, publish it on the various streaming media sources and take ALL THE MONEY/royalties for yourselves. I would argue that the major labels will only earn from their back catalogues going forward in the future cos it would take an idiot or a deal you could not refuse to sign up to any of them.
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby CS70 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:01 am

uselessoldman wrote:MY question would be "do you need a record label anymore in 2020"?

It depends on the label and what it does. Production and distribution have become easy and cheap but to market a baby act is neither. You require connections and financial muscle to seed the initial phase.

So a label who's only pushing out productions without any further action is indeed a waste of time, but a label with the right connections, budget and will to push an artist is not.
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby BigRedX » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:21 am

Promotion is now more important than ever. When anyone with a recording and $50 can make their album available to everyone with an internet connected device, the most important thing is to make your offering stand out from the overall "noise".
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby uselessoldman » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:47 am

Promotion does not require a record label, could be your manager your advertising agency your sister/brother father friend. Obviously I am talking about "normal times" not when the world is in the grip of some pandemic which is killing most industries not just music.

There will always be room for a promotional agent, information is valuable as much as time can be expensive, it has a cost. With the number of people taking marketing and media degrees nowadays the world should be full of talented/educated people looking for work/new acts opportunities.
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby BigRedX » Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:21 pm

uselessoldman wrote:Promotion does not require a record label, could be your manager your advertising agency your sister/brother father friend. Obviously I am talking about "normal times" not when the world is in the grip of some pandemic which is killing most industries not just music.

There will always be room for a promotional agent, information is valuable as much as time can be expensive, it has a cost. With the number of people taking marketing and media degrees nowadays the world should be full of talented/educated people looking for work/new acts opportunities.

But from personal experience effective promotion requires a substantial amount of money lots of time and some very specialised knowledge in order to target it appropriately for the artist in question. This is something that good record labels in abundance.
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby blinddrew » Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:04 pm

Yep, it doesn't require a label, but it is what they're very good at and (should be) set up to do.
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Re: MPs to investigate whether artists are paid fairly for streaming music

Postby CS70 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:42 pm

uselessoldman wrote:Promotion does not require a record label

No, but it requires dedicated, continuous work over a rather longish period of time, and to be effective, which require substantial funding unless one doesn't live of air. For that work to have a chance to pay off, you need a good deal of expertise in what works and what not and how to reach and work the proper channels; and usually a significant network of connections makes things much easier. They don't invite you at an interview with Jimmy Kimmel right when your new album is coming out just because you ask.

Of all these factors, the connection aspect is perhaps the most important. Your stuff's gotta be good, but there's lots of good stuff in the world that never gets heard because it's not presented by the right people to the right people.

All that is usually a (good) "label". I don't see many of these around however..

Another common way for an artist to be launched is via an existing successful performing artist that takes him/her as a "protégé", lending him/her his or her network... again, the protege's gotta be good and be making good (and sellable) stuff, but if the right guy or gal says "it's worth checking out", the marketing budget suddenly gets much smaller.
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