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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby ConcertinaChap » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:43 pm

The recordings I've mad so far have been purely for testing purposes, it'll be a month or so before I have anything I'd be willing to show. I'll put something up then.

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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby Matt Houghton » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:19 pm

Glad to hear you figured out a way to do this :clap:

Logic by name, logic puzzles by nature! :beamup:
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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby ConcertinaChap » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:54 pm

Matt Houghton wrote:Logic by name, logic puzzles by nature! :beamup:

Actually I think this is a lovely example of the conundrum that is Apple. Every step I describe is logical in the way it follows on from the previous one, it all works and is straightforward to perform. It's having to do it at all that grates, and that's because Apple obviously have their own ideas about what constitutes a polywav file.

MOF wrote:Are you able to export binaural versions of your ambisonic recordings? I’d like to hear a short sample, if that’s possible?

I've just realised I may not be able to help you. My intention with the recordings I'll be making is for live use and then, during mixdown, to apply an appropriate set of virtual mics (mostly mono cardioid) to the recordings to generate a final stereo mix. I'm not really heading towards capturing a 3D virtual reality sort of thing. You'd probably do better with Rode's example files here.

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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby ConcertinaChap » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:13 am

Update. I did contact Rode support. I told them my problems with Logic and third party polywavs and I also told them about my workaround in case it was useful. Here's my response:

Thanks for contacting us.

Extremely interesting, thanks for sending this walkthrough. We are currently working with Reaper to do all of our ambisonic recordings and we are looking to release a video series outlining this process in depth. Should be coming out in the next few weeks. Until then, we will definitely look into developing some content for Logic Pro.

So it looks like they haven't tried importing their files into Logic yet - they may have tried recording with Logic, which works fine of course. They now have my heads-up on the problem and I've asked them to contact me again if they come up with anything.

This also backs up other things I've read that rather suggests Reaper is becoming a bit of a standard for ambisonic and surround work. Interesting.

For the record, I'm still a very happy bunny when it comes to this microphone.

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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby zenguitar » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:19 pm

Reassuring to see such a positive response from Röde. Well done you CC :)

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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby ManFromGlass » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:41 pm

Yes, good on Röde. It will be interesting to see their videos. There are already a bunch of YouTube walk throughs on how to end up with a 360 mix. And a number of free software tools that get the job done. Reaper was the only software last year when I was experimenting that technically could output the proper 360 files that you then merge into a video that would then pan in 360 on YouTube.
I have heard that the latest version of Final Cut Pro now deals with editing 360 audio easily (easier?)

I know CC is not looking to do 360 panning. I’m just mentioning this in case another reader is.

The big head messing concept with 360 mixes for me is - you spend hours working on a mix and then somebody looks at your video and as they scroll around your mix it becomes unbalanced depending where it is scrolled to.
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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby MOF » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:31 pm

I've just realised I may not be able to help you. My intention with the recordings I'll be making is for live use and then, during mixdown, to apply an appropriate set of virtual mics (mostly mono cardioid) to the recordings to generate a final stereo mix. I'm not really heading towards capturing a 3D virtual reality sort of thing. You'd probably do better with Rode's example files here.
I just wondered if your recordings worked realistically converted to 'binaural', I think that given lots of people listen to music on earbuds it would be worth your while to convert your recordings to that format to give people the 'being there' experience.
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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:12 pm

Fair comment and when I do start making serious recordings later this month I will try and mix some binaural tracks. Should be an interesting learning experience if nothing else :)

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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby Matt Houghton » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:52 am

zenguitar wrote:Röde.

Is that, perchance, the heavy-metal division of Røde Microphones? :ugeek:
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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby Wonks » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:18 pm

:D :thumbup:

It's their möre cöwbell offshoot.
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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby blinddrew » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:35 pm

Wonks wrote:It's their möre cöwbell offshoot.

I'm not sure why but this has really tickled me today.
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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby ConcertinaChap » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:07 pm

Well it's quite a dötty discussion, after all.

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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby zenguitar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:17 am

Vęrÿ døttÿ įñdêēd. Åńd gõt thèré šô qūìkłÿ.

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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby Wonks » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:41 am

Wëll, ït ïs äböüt Ämbïsönïcs.
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Re: Can't get ambisonic to work with Logic

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:47 am

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