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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby desmond » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:05 pm

And a demo of a new Logic version which supports it, featuring 4x the max tracks limit - now up to 1000 audio tracks, and 1000 instrument tracks...
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby ReadySaltedChris » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:06 pm

Do you know when this new Mac Pro will be available Desmond?
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby desmond » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:08 pm

ReadySaltedChris wrote:Do you know when this new Mac Pro will be available Desmond?

"This Fall".
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby ReadySaltedChris » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:18 pm

desmond wrote:
ReadySaltedChris wrote:Do you know when this new Mac Pro will be available Desmond?

"This Fall".

Ah, thanks.
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby Agharta » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:40 pm

"The device will start at $5,999 for a configuration that includes 32GB of memory, an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, a 256GB SSD, and AMD Radeon Pro 580X graphics."
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby desmond » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:41 pm

I wonder what the high end would top out at?

How much does 1.5TB of Apple RAM cost, these days..? :headbang:
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby Agharta » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:49 pm

desmond wrote:I wonder what the high end would top out at?
How much does 1.5TB of Apple RAM cost, these days..? :headbang:
It has crazy high end specs at the top of the tree, something almost worthy of say an SGI Visual Workstation from decades gone by.
At least nobody can complain that they haven't addressed the proper workstation market.
But you might be looking at £20k if you select the leather trim and gold plated wheel rims. :D

"The company is pushing video editing performance in particular, touting an optional video card called "Afterburner" that includes a programmable ASIC that Apple claims can decode more than six billion pixels per second. The company says this can allow the new Mac Pro to play back up to 12 streams of 4K ProRes RAW video or up to three streams of 8K video in real time.
All of this runs on a 1.4kW power supply."
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby Mixedup » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:58 pm

Agharta wrote:"The device will start at $5,999 for a configuration that includes 32GB of memory, an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, a 256GB SSD, and AMD Radeon Pro 580X graphics."

Plus another $5k for the ridiculous monitor. :!:
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby desmond » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:07 pm

Mixedup wrote:
Agharta wrote:"The device will start at $5,999 for a configuration that includes 32GB of memory, an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, a 256GB SSD, and AMD Radeon Pro 580X graphics."

Plus another $5k for the ridiculous monitor. :!:

And for that, you don't get the stand... :lol:
That's another grand...
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby Agharta » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:16 pm

"The company's new display will start at $4,999, with a nano-texture version available for $5,999. The Pro Stand will cost $999, and the VESA mount is another $199 (so a display with anti-reflective coating along with a mount and the new stand is roughly ~$7,200)."

I wonder how much the cable(s) to run it will cost?
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby redlester » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:31 pm

Well it certainly deserves the “pro” tag, because it’s surely way out of the price range for the vast majority of hobbyists and semi pro’s, even without the screen. In fact glancing at the specs, in terms of audio only requirements it seems totally over the top for all but the most serious pro use.
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:04 am

Interesting that they've updated the specs for Logic on Apple's site to those of the new version shown in the Keynote, from which I infer that maybe the new Logic version is coming very soon.

And, as I suspected, it will require High Sierra, which is a pain for me...
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby ConcertinaChap » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:27 am

Bit of an embuggerance for you, that.

I see that in the next MacOS release iTunes takes an early bath. Split into 3 new apps. Sounds quite sensible.

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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby redlester » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:15 am

Full technical specs here:
https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/

I see according to the section on Storage it uses the T2 Security chip which apparently was causing the problems with the more recent desktops and MacBooks with USB2 audio interfaces, as per another thread on here.
https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=65082

So does that mean this beast will still exhibit the same problems?

Then again, I imagine there will be relatively few users spending £5k or upwards on one of these who is using a USB2 interface. That doesn't make it acceptable though. Or have they rectified this issue now?
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:20 am

ConcertinaChap wrote:I see that in the next MacOS release iTunes takes an early bath. Split into 3 new apps. Sounds quite sensible.

*Finally*.

redlester wrote:Or have they rectified this issue now?

Apple issued a patch/update for the issue, but from what I've seen, there are people claiming it didn't fix it for them, but I haven't looked into it any further...
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby redlester » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:22 am

ConcertinaChap wrote:Bit of an embuggerance for you, that.

I see that in the next MacOS release iTunes takes an early bath. Split into 3 new apps. Sounds quite sensible.

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As long as the new Apple Music app retains the ability to view Artists/Albums at the top and Tracks below, in the old list view format. I'll be mighty annoyed if it doesn't.

Actually I haven't seen the details on this, if people stay on anything up to Mojave will that mean they just retain whatever the final version of iTunes is?
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby redlester » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:43 am

desmond wrote:Apple issued a patch/update for the issue, but from what I've seen, there are people claiming it didn't fix it for them, but I haven't looked into it any further...

The thread about the issue on Gearslutz has recent posts suggesting it seems to be fixed in the latest 10.14.5 Mojave release. Would be nice to see some official confirmation though.
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby Agharta » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:43 pm

This is either good timing or very bad timing.

A) Apple are the first to use Intel’s 10nm CPUs in a high performance computer.
B) Apple are releasing a system using an Intel 14nm platform which is a 2nd or 3rd or is it 4th generation rehash of a platform that was supposed to be replaced by a 10nm one about 2 years ago.

The problem with B) is that when this is released in the fall it will be competing with the AMD Zen 2 based platforms which scale up to 64 cores per socket, support PCIe 4.0 and is fabricated with a leading edge 7nm process which means much better power efficiency.
As this is clearly tilted towards high end video work support for PCIe 4.0 will be useful for SSDs and future GPUs.
M.2 PCIe 4.0 SSDs have already been announced that give 5GBs.

So 28 cores, PCIe 3.0 and poor power efficiency versus 64 cores, PCIe 4.0 and good power efficiency.
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Re: New Mac Pro

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:59 pm

I think I'll probably be sticking with my 2008 Mac Pros :bouncy:
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