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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:53 pm
by baward
I wonder, is there a way to stop reminders/notifications regarding upgrading to Catalina? For me, they are appearing even though I have auto updating switched off.

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:03 pm
by desmond
It depends on a few things, if you Google around you'll get some things to try, including "Hide Updates" on the app store page, disabling app store updates and notifications, and so on.

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac-s ... s-3681778/

Here's a proper way for Mojave notifications, that should likely still work:
http://osxdaily.com/2018/10/26/stop-upgrade-macos-mojave-notifications/

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:24 pm
by baward
Thank you, Desmond.

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:05 pm
by ManFromGlass
So Desmond - from what you know, is it really a major job to try and keep ahead of OS hackers? Every update mentions security upgrades. Is the Mac OS constantly under attack?

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:20 pm
by desmond
ManFromGlass wrote:So Desmond - from what you know, is it really a major job to try and keep ahead of OS hackers? Every update mentions security upgrades. Is the Mac OS constantly under attack?

Well, let's say you're a bank, and you have something valuable to protect. It doesn't take constant robbery attempts to make you decide to put a big lock on the bank vault door - it's just a prudent security precaution. And it also deters potential robbery attempts, as a bonus.

Apple have a focus on locking things down, to try to prevent bad stuff from happening that damages their platform, and their users (and their business interests too, of course!). iOS works well for them, because they can to a large extent control the code running on the platform, and what it can do.

The Mac, coming from a historical standpoint, can more or less run anything, and so the potential for damage is higher. They have bit by bit been implementing things to restrict the potential damage malicious code can do, and there are reasons for all the stuff they are doing.

For instance - SIP means nothing can tamper with essential system files. Gatekeeper prevents untrusted code from running, unless the user explicitly permits it. Notarisation let's Apple kill an app that's been reported as malicious... and so on...

The Mac has traditionally had far less attacks than the Windows platform, but *anything* online is potentially attacked, whether by a large fishing expedition, or targeted attacks on figures of note, like politicians, celebrities, journalists etc.

Apple want their users to be as safe as they can be on their platforms, and have implemented these things as precautions, and for good security practice. Basically, they think these things are good ideas for the good of everbody.

As so far, informed users can bypass, turn off, or get around these things if they choose too - for instance, I turn some of these things off, for good reason - but I know *why* I'm doing it, and I'm (mostly) responsible for what I run, and am aware of the security vulnerabilities I'm opening up...

As for minor security updates - that's just responsibly fixing problems as they turn up. Everyone does that.

So I'd say, don't see these things as a sign that the Mac is always being compromised, more as a sign that Apple are responsibly trying to keep the platform from being pwned as much as they can.

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:57 am
by redlester
desmond wrote:It depends on a few things, if you Google around you'll get some things to try, including "Hide Updates" on the app store page, disabling app store updates and notifications, and so on.

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac-s ... s-3681778/

Here's a proper way for Mojave notifications, that should likely still work:
http://osxdaily.com/2018/10/26/stop-upgrade-macos-mojave-notifications/

To expand on this, the UAD page on Catalina (in)compatibility gives a good clear guide on how to turn off updates in Mojave.
https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articl ... ility-Info

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:13 am
by Dave Rowles
I'm glad I upgraded to Mojave before that happened. Looks like I'll be keeping Mojave for a while!

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:54 pm
by ConcertinaChap
As it happened a couple of days ago I had a problem on my machine that required erasing the main drive to sort (a lot of credit to Apple support here, they spent a lot of time either on chat or on the phone going through the problem with me and getting it sorted). Rather than reapply my Superduper backup I decided to do a fresh install of Mojave (was on HS before). Had no real problems with this or reinstalling any software. What was interesting was what came up with the future compatibility warning for being 32 bit. There were quite a lot of such warnings but with one exception they were all installers; the software they were installing was fine. (The exception was Sibelius 7).

Now I'm on Mojave I think I'll stay there for the next two years.

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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:46 pm
by cyrano.mac
Tomorrow, October 28, the certificates on all Apple system installers expire.

New installers have since been posted on Apple's update servers. The ones on your USB stick, or harddisk will however cease to work.

Apple uses a content distribution network, so it might take 24 hours or so before alle the CDN's servers are up-to-date.

In case of a need to use a saved installer, you could try switching off auto time updates and setting back the date a month. It could end up with a problem however, if doing funky stuff like installing a Mac over Target mode.

Let's just say this weekend isn't ideal to upgrade your MacOS...

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:48 pm
by ConcertinaChap
Well there's timing for you :)

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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:22 am
by rACed2
Just a note that MOTU MIDI devices are now (apparently) supported in Catalina.

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:12 pm
by Ylan Sthlm
I see that Logic Pro X and all my plugins now are compatible with Catalina.

Has anyone upgraded? Should I take the plunge?

Am a hobbyist, and have no project dependencies holding me back.

The only question is, does it work?

Humbly Ylan

Logic Pro X on an iMac 27", 2017 with Focusrite Clarett 4Pre.

And some plugins, that they say work.

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:32 pm
by desmond
Ylan Sthlm wrote:Has anyone upgraded? Should I take the plunge?
Am a hobbyist, and have no project dependencies holding me back.

Which features are compelling you to upgrade?

If there aren't any, I'd just simply wait for a while (6 months - 1 year).

If there are, then make an image of your system, or install to a different drive, and see how it works for you, if you really feel you must be on the latest, just released, and rather rushed, release of OSX.

Everyone has to make that call for themselves, really, but the key is to be informed, be prepared, and be able to go back easily, should things not work out.

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:51 am
by Hugh Robjohns
For info, I've just received a press release from Eventide which proclaims that "All Eventide Plugins are now compatible with macOS 10.15 Catalina"

The new installers are here:

https://www.eventideaudio.com/support/downloads?mc_cid=3b4b9ff3a8&mc_eid=1f9e3b5e9e

Carry on... :ugeek:

Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:00 am
by redlester
I have no intention of moving from Mojave to Catalina in the forseeable, but am seeing posts in the thread about the 16" MBP referencing Catalina needing to be "fixed" for audio use.

Is there some sort of problem with it, over and above any issues of 3rd party manufacturer compatibility?