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Re: New Macs

Postby The Korff » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:36 am

BobTheDog wrote:The weird thing is that a software update can stop it getting fried

Doesn't surprise me too much... Apple chargers have had wee microcontrollers in them for years to regulate current depending on the state of the battery (its charge, age, etc). It's possible they'd programmed the OS to allow the battery to draw too much current in order to be able to publish a 'charges from 0 to 100 in 5 minutes!' spec on launch or something.
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Re: New Macs

Postby BobTheDog » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:57 am

Yeah, my ageing iPhone is now helping out it's ageing battery by "intelligently" guessing wrong each day what time I will get out of bed to make sure the battery is never charged!
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Re: New Macs

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:03 am

CS70 wrote:What the heck makes these Apple phones and laptops and whatever so sensitive, I still cannot understand. :)

I don't think they are sensitive, I don't hear of a higher failure rate amongst Apple kit than others, and personal experience is very much the opposite. I've only had one example of an 'exploding wall wart', it was a cheap Apple clone and the MBS escaped accompanied by a bang and a flash. No damage was done to the iPad it was connected to at the time.
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Re: New Macs

Postby Kennyscrown » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:22 pm

Hi - sorry to swing the focus of this thread around a little, but...

IS there a thread anywhere that lists what is compatible with the M1 Mac/Big Sur yet?

As I said earlier in the thread, I am just about ready to upgrade my 2013 iMac to a new M1 machine, probably a Mac Mini but just possibly a MacBook Air. My interface is ready to go as well - it's a Focusrite Forte, which I have loved, but I've had it for 7 years; Focusrite are no longer supporting it and now the headphone socket is dodgy.

I am thinking of the Audient EVO 8, as 2 headphone sockets is pretty much what I need, and my budget is limited. The 4 inputs are very tempting as well. However, I was about to purchase when I decided to check their website, and they categorically state that the EVO range is NOT compatible with Big Sur and the M1 Macs, but that they are hoping to make an announcement in the future.

I thought that if a device was class compliant, it would work on the M1 Mac, but the support software wouldn't. Any thoughts appreciated.
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Re: New Macs

Postby BobTheDog » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:52 pm

Any class compliant audio device should work, maybe they plugged it in and it didn't though.

You could always just buy one, try it out and if it doesn't work return it.

Edit: just had a look on the web, looks like the interface will work fine but the software to control the mixer will not work. If you don't need that then I guess its ok to get it.
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Re: New Macs

Postby CS70 » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:42 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:
CS70 wrote:What the heck makes these Apple phones and laptops and whatever so sensitive, I still cannot understand. :)

I don't think they are sensitive, I don't hear of a higher failure rate amongst Apple kit than others

"Sensitive" not as in "easily damaged" but "Sensitive" as in "the required voltage must come only from a device branded Apple". :lol:

Given that a device can be physically connected (so that if it can fry things, it will well before the software can check anything), the software could simply verify that what voltage or data line required are present, without being so fussy about which manufacturer is sending it.

It's like if my BMW didnt accept a new oil filter which was functionally identical to the BMW one only because it didn't have BMW written over it.
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Re: New Macs

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:22 pm

I certainly have no problem charging iDevices from 3rd party chargers and cables, a while ago they did seem to dislike some non-Apple cables but over the last few years the only one's I've had issues with have been "Poundland specials'. Reputable manufacturer USB chargers don't seem to give any problems.

Laptop chargers are a different matter though and I'm pretty sure, given the required spec for USB C cables the charger for my MBP is capable of supplying somewhat more than the old style 5VDC leaving a much bigger opportunity for damage.
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Re: New Macs

Postby blinddrew » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:33 pm

CS70 wrote:
Sam Spoons wrote:
CS70 wrote:What the heck makes these Apple phones and laptops and whatever so sensitive, I still cannot understand. :)

I don't think they are sensitive, I don't hear of a higher failure rate amongst Apple kit than others

"Sensitive" not as in "easily damaged" but "Sensitive" as in "the required voltage must come only from a device branded Apple". :lol:

Given that a device can be physically connected (so that if it can fry things, it will well before the software can check anything), the software could simply verify that what voltage or data line required are present, without being so fussy about which manufacturer is sending it.

It's like if my BMW didnt accept a new oil filter which was functionally identical to the BMW one only because it didn't have BMW written over it.
See also printer cartridges with RFID chips... :protest:
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Re: New Macs

Postby Luke W » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:42 pm

blinddrew wrote:See also printer cartridges with RFID chips... :protest:

Just what I came here to say :lol:
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Re: New Macs

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:19 pm

Yup that is a constant bugbear...
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Re: New Macs

Postby BobTheDog » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:44 pm

I bought a flashish car around 15 years ago and maintained the manufacturers warranty, after being charged 140 quid to replace the wiper blades the next time they went wonky I put some 30 quid Bosch ones on.

The next time I went in for the warranty check I got told off and they were only letting me have the warranty as long as I didn't do it again. I was incredulous and the woman said we even know if the valve caps on the wheels are not from us!
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Re: New Macs

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:16 pm

IIRC that sort of thing is no longer allowed in the EU, pattern parts and/or service by non-approved (as long as they are competent) garages can't be an excuse to void a warrantee.
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Re: New Macs

Postby BobTheDog » Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:45 pm

Surely it is up to the company if they extend your warranty?

If you buy a car with a 3 year warranty, sure they must have to fulfill that obligation.

If you are paying for the 4th year they don't have to take that contract?
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Re: New Macs

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:25 pm

I don't think so but maybe, AFAIK it's the principle that the EU ruled against, i.e. that you had to have your car serviced my a main dealer using all original manufacturer spare parts and consumables or they could squeeze out of the warrantee. Whether the EU specified only the 'standard' warrantee or included a paid for extended warrantee (which is an insurance policy) I don't know but I always assumed that it applied to both.
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Re: New Macs

Postby BobTheDog » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:07 pm

Thanks goodness the EU are looking after us.

Oh, hang on a sec.
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