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Re: Musicians and depression.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:43 am
by Don Chishiotte
I am reading this book by werner...it's really good,thanks for mentioning it :D

Re: Musicians and depression.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:44 am
by Don Chishiotte
now that I come to think of it,it's great

Re: Musicians and depression.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:43 pm
by phsycicdreamer
Davros i know how you feel as im right there now myself.

Read a book called ''im ok your ok'' also think about self hypnosis and reprogram your mind.
Check out www.hypnoticworld.com and get yourself positive.

IM not sure what all the eating diary products is all about.
Will someone enlighten me plz?

Bye.
ps:dont smoke skunk its terrible for mood swings.

Re: Musicians and depression.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:13 pm
by Mike C4miles
Davros

you mention you hate your day job; well I'd guess there's some feedback going on here between that and the pressure you feel to complete musical projects. I've certainly been there: hated my day job (my boss actually, the arse) so much it affected every area of my life; bursts of irrational anger, feeling isolated and depressed etc etc. I managed to change my perspective on the whole thing after reading a book called 'Bioenergetics', probably long out of print. It helped me realise that this one individual played a very insignificant part in those bits of my life that mattered. The problems were in my head not his, and I could change that. Anyway, long story short, I swore never again to work for someone I didn't like, or do work I didn't enjoy. Been happier ever since. Get through this next period and then think about a change of day job. For now, just remind yourself you are doing the day job for the money and the security (mental and physical) that it brings. And talking about it helps!

Re: Musicians and depression.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:17 pm
by mozart999uk
Just my 2 p's worth - I've gotten over mine (including Chronic Fatigue and all that stuff) by positive thinking. I bought "Susan Jeffers - feel the fear and do it anyway" and Dr. Norman Vincent Peale - Positive thinking. Morning's were the hardest to crack but with a work friend gently pushing me all the time and having these 2 books constantly on handmy entire life has changed around.

For me so many things begin with the way you think...did try anti depressants for a while but no great improvement.

Not that it will help you but I have to credit having a fantastic wife as well!

I wish you the very best in your journey.

Regards


Matthew

Re: Musicians and depression.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:03 am
by Marbury
Thank you everyone.I am taking into account some of the things you all said.I remember reading a book of Norman Vincant Peel's about possitive thinking.I must get hold of it again as he is writing from a Christian perspective, something I share with him.

When I am at work I kind of get excited as I mentaly plan what I am going to do musically that evening.It kind of helps me feel I am at least planning something while I am in the boring day job.When I get home I just get sidetracked into other things.But when I do actually go in the studio, all the plans and enthusiasm I had at work seems to have vapourised.Very strange.

Sometimes if I don't "feel" like making music or tackling a project I am having difficulty with, I do it anyway and ignore my feelings.Eventually, I forget how I feel and start to enjoy what I am doing.Very strange.I think if we didn't go off feelings so much we would achieve much more.

Re: Musicians and depression.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:58 am
by JSB
Burn out is a terrible thing...almost impossible to notice until it actually happens. I had a similar thing 10 years ago where I dealt with publishers for so long, phoning, writing ( being rejected by!) that in the end I had forgotten why I had gotten into music in the first place. So as a release I studied Bach, The Cello Suites and Luteworks on guitar. It completely changed my life. Old Johann is as close as I get to religion without being a Christian. In his music I found a completely new dimension to pitch my thoughts in. I am still doing it today. I even turned what was an obsession with Bach into a job...giving recitals and lessons in classical guitar. Ironically, the music biz seemed to chase me for a change, albeit in a minor way. They say do the thing you love doing and all else follows. They could be right ( whoever they are!)

The thing is, I played so much I think I have worn my fingers out. Not sure if it's tendonitis or what but I can't play too well at all now!! 12 hrs a day every day for 15 years finally took it's toll which is why I am now turning my attention to recording poppy/Latin stuff. Much easier on the digits. But this is no bad thing as it allows me to explore different things and has resulted in other bouts of good fortune.

The point to all of this is that we are in lap of the gods and should accept it. Maybe some dark thoughts and some low feelings really are the springboard to bigger things and we should recognise that at the time and make use of it. I know people whose lives have run smoothly without pain since they were born. They are the most banal, mundane, trivial people I have ever met. Their idea of depression is the car-washer not working. Depression is a strong emotion that, with a little help and imagination, can be turned to our advantage and lead to good places you would never have dreamed of. Believe it!

Re: Musicians and depression.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:32 am
by Marbury
Since I posted this topic I have been taking natural subastances like St John's Wort and Fish oils with Omega 3.I feel its doing me the world of good as I am much more possitive and don't have that heavy feeling on my head.Perhaps it has also got something to do with the nights starting to get a bit lighter too.

Re: Musicians and depression.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:19 am
by Sprinkler
Hi,

Many people suffer from depression, including me. I've had several extended sick periods in the last 3 years, totally about 10 months in all and a great amount of help. I still shake daily without even realising it.

It was caused by stress from overwork and not taking time out in my daily job, developing web sites.

I personaly found that correct medication helped to pull me up and then, most importantly allocating a bit of "me" time helps keep me on track. BTW, to relax I go to my local pub and play piano on open mic nights.

I also found that a time management course helped, not because I was disorganised, but becauseI let people dump work on me. If this is the case with you, read "The one minute manager meets the monkey" It lets you keep control of your time.

Whatever you do, dont ignore it.

Re: Musicians and depression.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:48 pm
by Leitmotif
I have suffered from depression, anxiety and panic disorder for years now and (touch wood) am healthy about 95% of the time now. Anti-depressants saved my life in the first instance. Cognitive therapy along with serious training in the martial arts (involving meditation and tai chi) provided me with the basis for a 'cure'.

Depression has been the hardest thing I have had to deal with, particularly when the thoughts just seem to vanish from your mind and everything around you seems lifeless or terrifying.

But at the end of the day, I have a wonderful gift - creativity. I firmly believe that the price of a truly creative mind is instability of mood. Through professional help and dedicated soul-searching I have learned to love my instability, and it has become the source of my creativity rather than the enemy of it ;) All the best, L.