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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby Rick Taylor » Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:47 am

:} Ego being the lifeblood of music.
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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby IvanSC » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:22 am

(rofl)Drumman: does anyone actually use real live drummers on their recordings any more? How does that make you feel when you hear all the lame drum programming there is out there?
This is exactly the point I was trying to make in my earlier post about only a real player of the actual instrument will really know how far away friom the real thing most sampled "versions" of their instrument is.
Stop and think a bit before you blithely write off all guitar players. After all, someone has to play it in the first place for you to sample it. Ridiculously, I am a bass player and even I use sampled parts mostly, but then I am not recording for commercial release at present. Samples and sequences are usually quicker.
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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby neonknight » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:58 am

people who claim guitars can be sampled and replaced by VSTs obviously never played guitar. If they did, they would know jow expressive the instruments is.. If you don't trust me, ask Mr Paul White :)
seriously, when you get a guitar VST to sound like Jeff Beck, Gary Moore or Stevie Ray Vaughan, to name just a few, I will believe you...if you ask me, the same goes for drumming...it is more difficult to tell the difference, of course, but there is a difference. It has probably got something to do with the nature of the instrument...
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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby Rick Taylor » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:34 am

:} Santana... Haino... Belew... Frith... West {Leslie}... Steve Morse...

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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby Wigworld » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:54 am

Isn't that what Keane did?

Wonkey Wabbit wrote:You could probably do a Coldplay album with VST guitars and get away with it.

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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby Virtuoso » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:18 am

iceman wrote:drummer jokes are so old and out of date get with the program dikwad

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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby neonknight » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:54 pm

Rick Taylor wrote::} Santana... Haino... Belew... Frith... West {Leslie}... Steve Morse...

{Resisting the urge to fill the page.}
satriani, vai, fripp, malmsteen, petrucci, pass, di meola, mclaughlin, de lucia, gilmour, vinnie moore, blackmore, page, frampton...the list is HUGE! :)
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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby Loudbox » Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:15 pm

If you have ever had a world class session muscian playing in front of you in your studio then you would know the difference! I won't name drop but I was lucky enough to have one of the best guitar players around doing some session work in the studio the other day. No plugin would replace that in a million years.
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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby Armadillo » Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:51 pm

neonknight wrote:
Rick Taylor wrote::} Santana... Haino... Belew... Frith... West {Leslie}... Steve Morse...

{Resisting the urge to fill the page.}
satriani, vai, fripp, malmsteen, petrucci, pass, di meola, mclaughlin, de lucia, gilmour, vinnie moore, blackmore, page, frampton...the list is HUGE! :)

I know hmm... well I've got an idea of how 5 of these guys sound but don't know the rest. But I love RealGuitar but not as a mean of sounding like Satriani etc. If that's the sound one is looking for surely you can already play the guitar better than you can enter notes in a Midi editor or play the keyboard.
For me it's a way of adding a bit of guitar flavour to my tunes, like eg. NERD. Something basic anyway. If your tunes are 100% guitar based, you obviously get a guitar. But if the guitar is hidden somewhere in the back it'll do very well. To put it another way: RealGuitar is great for pop, house, RnB, Hip hop and electronica. For rock, punk, metal and blues I'd get a guitarist.
I suspect everybody is this thread falls into the 2nd category anyway.
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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby Rick Taylor » Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:58 pm

neonknight wrote:frampton...the list is HUGE! :)


Frampton?

:) Forgot Duane Allman, Dickie Betts, Tommy Bolin, Mick Ronson, Edge, Helios Creed, BBKing, Buckethead, Howe, Buck Dharma, Zappa, Mick Box and Nick Zinner... {and a cast of thousands.}

I saw Dixie Dregs live from about 2 feet away. Morse is plain amazing. Blackmore, as well. {Actually, I've seen most of these guys live... They're all pretty amazing.}

Frampton?
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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby DJFunkivybbb » Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:35 pm

Wigworld wrote:Isn't that what Keane did?

Wonkey Wabbit wrote:You could probably do a Coldplay album with VST guitars and get away with it.


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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby neonknight » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:34 am

Rick Taylor wrote:
neonknight wrote:frampton...the list is HUGE! :)

Frampton?

:) Forgot Duane Allman, Dickie Betts, Tommy Bolin, Mick Ronson, Edge, Helios Creed, BBKing, Buckethead, Howe, Buck Dharma, Zappa, Mick Box and Nick Zinner... {and a cast of thousands.}

I saw Dixie Dregs live from about 2 feet away. Morse is plain amazing. Blackmore, as well. {Actually, I've seen most of these guys live... They're all pretty amazing.}

Frampton?
Mate, what's wrong with Frampton? :)
I actually love some of his work...
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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby neonknight » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:35 am

Huh, I saw Audioslave last night in Heineken Music Hall in Amsterdam...Tom Morello is brilliant, I love the guy's sound and style, he is like no other guitar player I have heard...
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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby Skyline » Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:08 am

I'm glad I'm a guitarist - cf. Paul White's editorial the other month. I can more easily get my keyboards tracks done using today's technology than a keyboard player can do his guitar tracks. ;)
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Re: who needs a guitarist these days?

Postby Rick Taylor » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:01 am

neonknight wrote:Mate, what's wrong with Frampton? :)
I actually love some of his work...


Nothing really. I've just always seen him as more of a pop idol than a serious musician.

{Still suffering from a '7os overdose of that live album.}

What has he done since he stopped being a pop idol?
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