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“Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby sanders » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:11 pm

Hi guys.

My computer is getting a little old and worn out, so I’m looking at getting a new PC. I want to know if getting a “music computer” from someone like Phillip Rees or Carillon is worth it, or would I be able to get just as good a machine if I went down the DIY route? Ok, not totally DIY… I mean get one made to spec from a shop?

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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby Sle » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:33 pm

If someone else builds it, you can feel free to moan at them. Simple as that. Oh, and it'll be more expensive if you farm it out. "Music PC" manufacturers spend a great deal of time (And money) perpetuating the wisdom that only a "Music PC" will do. Consider this as you make your choice. 99% of the time you'll not go far wrong building one yourself, or tbh, just buying any old system. However, I'm sure that tons of "Chewing gum sticks to your insides and kills you" type comments will now surface. If you have a ton of money, listen to the merchants. If you're skint, build your own.
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby Stevedog » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:42 pm

DIY is no where near as scarey as it seems at first sight. I'd guess there are a goodly few on this forum who have built their own. Now ehile they might not ave all been trouble free builds, you do learn a hell of a lot along the way and often save on bills in the future.

I often see people i know handing over 50-100 quid to have the comps *fixed* when the problem was a pretty simple one which aside from taking the lid off the case was about 5 mins work in total.

An *of the shelf system* often has just those niggling corners cut where if you do it yourself you can remove any doubts.

If you actually spec a system to the level you actually want it, shop bought systems are often anything up to 500 quid dearer than a self build.

The onething i've learned over the years about comps is those with good quality cases, specialist PSUs and proper cooling for both chip and drives , on the whole, run way way better than a standard system.

The upshot of this is if you spend 200 quid upfront on those components, that in most shop bought systems come to say 50 quid in all tops, you give yourself a great start.

Specing these sort of systems from a shop, or specialist, is expensive, they have to make a living, so maybe you could assemble it and then take it to am individual specialist to have it checked and the OS installed?
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby Smithee » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:57 pm

There's nothing that Phill Rees and his team, or the guys at Carillon can do, that an average Joe cannot. All you need is the time and expertise.

There is something to be said for systems built be Carillon and others, they give you a finely tuned and guaranteed system ready for whatever usage you specified. You simply tell them what you want, and hand over your wallet :) . It means if you have no experience in computer hardware (and no desire to learn) you get a great system without the hassle and if it goes wrong you can call them up and they'll fix it.
A lot of people are willing to pay inflated prices for that service and assurance citing the mantra "I'm a musician, not a geek!"

However, if you build yourself not only do you learn exactly what's inside your computer and how it works (which puts you at an advantage when it goes wrong), but you can save money and customize your system in absolutely every way possible. In a sense the infinite choices available can be a pain as you find yourself wondering whether the difference between Samsung and Corsair memory is worth that extra £0.39 :lol: .
And of course all the support for your system is in a sense your responsibility. If something goes, you need to find out where, why and how to fix it. With the breadth of stuff on the internet it's certain any problem you have, someone else will have had too, but none the less it takes time and research to diagnose some of these problems.

So what's the upshot? Well all but ones of my computers has been built by myself and so I guess I favour that route. It's certainly not hard in the way advanced algebra is, it simply requires a little research, patience when it doesn't boot up first time and some lateral thinking to solve some of the more obscure problems you might face.
If you have no interest in these sorts of things then go for a Carillon. They do what they do very well. But I'm guessing you wouldn't have asked the question if you wasn't interested, in which case I say go for it :bouncy: .


Just a note, if you plan to get a system built from a standard computer shop I would disuade you from doing that if you plan to use professional audio applications. It's unreasnable to expect a computer shop which has no speciality in audio to be able to configure a system in the same way Carillon or someone eimilar could. That's not to say they wouldn't build a good system, but it would not be specialised in the same way as a Carillon or similar and would most likely require additional tuning to raise it to that standard, which in a way might defeat point.
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby Prophet X » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:20 am

sanders wrote:Ok, not totally DIY… I mean get one made to spec from a shop?


A box with the motherboard, CPU & CPU fan fitted is more than enough to buy in one go for a first-time DIY. The rest of the bits just plug & screw in with very little technical knowhow!

You also get to specify exactly, to yourself, the spec you want. I've yet to find a shop that'll do an exact bespoke spec without making sure they get their 'labour charge'!

What spec is your old computer? You may be able to save yourself a lot of money by just upgrading the parts which need it. Once you've gone the DIY route, you won't want to go any other way again IMO & it's knowledge never lost. The learning is fun. DIY can be a bit tricky & confusing for the first-timer, but we all have to start somewhere. :)
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby itchyhead » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:04 am

deinitely DIY. buy on computer markets, internet(carefull with harddiscs and cdroms).
it will workout 15-20percent cheaper and you will have no warranty seal on the back of your computer...
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby iceman » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:02 am

defo go the diy route!! having read some of the threads about phil rees i wouldnt hand over my hardf earned cash to him and his organisation!!, try www.scan.co.uk for components, people on here will help you im sure!!! i agree with stevedog on the cooling and psu issue as well, the only other thing i tend to do is try and go thoroughbred on the mobo and gfx card but its not essential
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby Jazzyt » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:41 am

mmm Music PC or DIY!?

well there is only one thing to say and thats - Apple Mac!

I have used Music PC's and DIY, but once you experience Apple MAc's running and working, there is no comparison! They just work....

Turn it on
Do your Work
Turn It Off
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Total = Simple
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby stormwatch » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:49 am

i've been using a carillon ac1 for about a year now, no problems, great build quality and as others have mentioned you have some comeback if anything does go wrong. but then again if you have the time and the patience to build it yourself......might be interesting and rewarding!
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby G.E.O » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:04 pm

Jazzyt wrote:mmm Music PC or DIY!?

well there is only one thing to say and thats - Apple Mac!

I have used Music PC's and DIY, but once you experience Apple MAc's running and working, there is no comparison! They just work....

Turn it on
Do your Work
Turn It Off
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Total = Simple


Macintel ? :bouncy: :roll: :D
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby iceman » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:45 pm

mmm Music PC or DIY!?

well there is only one thing to say and thats - Apple Mac!

I have used Music PC's and DIY, but once you experience Apple MAc's running and working, there is no comparison! They just work....

Turn it on
Do your Work
Turn It Off
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Total = Simple


dude thats so unhelpful the old mac vs pc routine sucks ass, the guy was asking about pc`s not mac`s put your dick away and go and play with your intel based machine huh, and just for the record my pc sounds similar to your mac, i.e. turn it on, use it, turn it off, simple huh... ;)
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby Sle » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:18 pm

Incidentally, NEVER buy a "Barebones" PC. 90% of the time they consist of the worst motherboard in the entire world, by Hung Fang Wa, with a support site that takes ten minutes to load and such joys as PCI graphics.

Even Apple die-hards would admit that unless you have too much money, now isn't the best time to buy one, as it'll be a paperweight when the next gen (PC hardware) comes along.
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby DavidW » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:40 pm

Jazzyt wrote:mmm Music PC or DIY!?

well there is only one thing to say and thats - Apple Mac!

I have used Music PC's and DIY, but once you experience Apple MAc's running and working, there is no comparison! They just work....

Not always! I've crashed a G5 three times today ;)
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby PWGLE » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:36 pm

DIY all the way....

prebuilds are rubbish!

you should hand pick and assemble your computer that way it can meet your own indivual needs and be truely l33t.

The Pirate and Polly *overclocked* Parrot!
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Re: “Music Computer” or DIY?

Postby Bilder » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:05 pm

I had a music computer made to the specs recommended in SOS about 4/5 years ago - it cost almost 3,000 Euros. Two years later I bought a computer off the shelf for 299 Euro which was much faster than my old computer. My recommendation would be to save your money.
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