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Re: Cubase Elements or PreSonus Studio One Artist for my needs?

Postby OneWorld » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:58 pm

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The Red Bladder wrote:I'm not a fan and I don't use it myself - but then I think that MIDI, when used instead of actual playing of instruments is the work of the Devil!

I agree, I use MIDI for connecting a controller keyboard which I play and record live. The only time I record a MIDI track is when I want that early techno machine sound, which isn't very often now. To me MIDI sounds wrong, compared with live playing on synths. As for adding a 'human feel' to MIDI I can't get my head round that.

MIDI is the 'Score' editor for music composed on a DAW, I cannot see how anyone could do without it, even if playing 'live' the notes are sent to the DAW, and if there are fluffs in the played music, then it can be edited and played back to the synth. When you say you are playing and recording live - what are you recording to? Is it you're taking the audio from the synth and recording it as an audio track into the DAW?

I cannot understand how it sounds wrong - all the MIDI is doing is mirroring back the notes that come in from the synth? MIDI is simply a representation of the notes played in much the same way crotchets and quavers are represented on a score sheet, in fact on any DAW that has a score editor you can see the same notes in the MIDI editor. I'm confused as to how it can sound different if the music (MIDI notes) are sent back to the synth that played them in the first place?
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Re: Cubase Elements or PreSonus Studio One Artist for my needs?

Postby desmond » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:13 pm

Imo - anyone who thinks any particularly technology is the work of the devil seems to be missing the point that it's *always* about the person using the technology, not the technology itself.

It's never been easier to make bad music (or bad films, or bad art, or bad books etc) but it's *our* problem, not the technology.

To me MIDI sounds wrong, compared with live playing on synths.

By "MIDI" in this context, what I think you mean is "painting in notes manually in a DAW" sounds wrong, compared to playing the part (by a musician who can effectively and musically play a keyboard). This is because it's very difficult to manually, consciously program in musical feel. It's not impossible, but it is hard, and generally, if you have enough ability to know what feel is to program it effectively, you probably have enough ability to play it that way.

But don't equate MIDI to "painting by numbers in the edit pages of a DAW' because those are two completely different concepts. You can happily record live playing via MIDI (and audio at the same time if you wish) and use the possibilities of MIDI to good creative use.

Ultimately, no technique is bad, it's the end results that count. Plenty of people who can't play instruments have made worthwhile music, and music that would never have been made by a more traditional approach.
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Re: Cubase Elements or PreSonus Studio One Artist for my needs?

Postby tonemangler » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:36 am

In my opinion the obvious best bang for your buck is Cakewalk by Bandlab (formally known as Sonar Platinum). This is a fully mature and powerful DAW on par with anything else out there and the crazy thing is that it's totally free! It has a very good midi spec, and runs with unlimited tracks and Vsti's, as much as your CPU can handle. There are tutorials online under both the Sonar and Cakewalk by Bandlab banner. If I where looking for a first DAW for Windows on a limited budget this would be the no brainier choice.
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Re: Cubase Elements or PreSonus Studio One Artist for my needs?

Postby ef37a » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:50 am

desmond wrote:Imo - anyone who thinks any particularly technology is the work of the devil seems to be missing the point that it's *always* about the person using the technology, not the technology itself.

It's never been easier to make bad music (or bad films, or bad art, or bad books etc) but it's *our* problem, not the technology.

To me MIDI sounds wrong, compared with live playing on synths.

By "MIDI" in this context, what I think you mean is "painting in notes manually in a DAW" sounds wrong, compared to playing the part (by a musician who can effectively and musically play a keyboard). This is because it's very difficult to manually, consciously program in musical feel. It's not impossible, but it is hard, and generally, if you have enough ability to know what feel is to program it effectively, you probably have enough ability to play it that way.

But don't equate MIDI to "painting by numbers in the edit pages of a DAW' because those are two completely different concepts. You can happily record live playing via MIDI (and audio at the same time if you wish) and use the possibilities of MIDI to good creative use.

Ultimately, no technique is bad, it's the end results that count. Plenty of people who can't play instruments have made worthwhile music, and music that would never have been made by a more traditional approach.

+1 Des' MIDI is the electronic equivalent of the piano roll and they were produced by some very famous artists.
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Re: Cubase Elements or PreSonus Studio One Artist for my needs?

Postby Guest » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:55 am

desmond wrote:
To me MIDI sounds wrong, compared with live playing on synths.

By "MIDI" in this context, what I think you mean is "painting in notes manually in a DAW" sounds wrong, compared to playing the part (by a musician who can effectively and musically play a keyboard).

A human player has more variations in timing (and volume) than a MIDI track can capture - it is like a low resolution version of the performance to my ears. MIDI has its uses as you point out but I prefer things played live. But I am not against technology, I use distortion pedals on classical saxophone and process sounds beyond recognition. Probably much of the pop and television music I really like was played into MIDI.
I suppose unlike most people I like to commit things. If I used MIDI I could change the synth sound later but I think it is better to make the decision there and then, otherwise mixing becomes a nightmare. I hate mixing, in fact I'm thinking of paying a colleague to mix some things for me.
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Re: Cubase Elements or PreSonus Studio One Artist for my needs?

Postby DanR » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:25 pm

Cubase Elements 8 here. I write instrumental music using midi and having a huge sound set
and excellent midi editing is great for what I do. Very rarely record audio but there’s enough tracks when I do.
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