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Mini Itx 6.7*6.7 inch Motherboard system: Some Options

Postby tea for two » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:37 pm

I haven't posted in over two years simply because I have nothing to offer of use to anyone here.
(My IT days past decade earlier 2008).
Yes you can stop reading now.
Move along.


Anyway

This mini itx caught my eye.
https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/view ... 20&t=63862

Ahkatootin wrote:Hi people,

I'm thinking of using the 9800X on an ASRock Intel Core-X X299E Mini ITX Motherboard with 64GB of DDR4 SODIMM RAM; 3x NVMe PCIe SSD

best wishes,

Mark


I purchased mini Itx

X99 Asrock Intel mini itx
https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/X99E-ITXac/
to put i7-5820k 6c/12t 140W 3.3-3.6GHz
or
Xeon 2670v3 12c/24t 120W 2.3-3.1GHz

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Considered x299 Asrock Intel mini itx
https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/X299E-ITXac/index.asp
with its crazy 3*M.2 ports in a 6.7*6.7inch Motherboard ! + supports Intel Optane.

Decided against both these.
Poor integrated graphics in Intel.
Overly expensive Intel processors.
Requires larger cooling at 140W 120W along with Larger Case.


# I far prefer Ryzen7 1700 65W 8c/12t 3.0-3.7GHz £145 for Mini Itx.


Intel LGA1151 mini itx AsrockH110M Motherboard I purchased for usff (utra small form factor) case
https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110M-ITX/

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Decided against.
Poor integrated graphics Intel.
Limited choice Intel processors due to high Wattages when in usff case.
Overly expensive Intel processors.


# AMD Ryzen 65W far better Mini Itx for me.


I properly considered

# Asrock Intel LGA1151 DeskMini110, DeskMini130
barebones takes 65W Desktop Intel


(Not neutered Intel Nuc, Gigabyte Brix : T series Intel U series).

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asrock- ... i-stx-1151

https://m.newegg.com/global/uk/product/N82E16856158062

Smaller STX Motherboard inside.
Just 4 USB ports, poor onboard graphics, limited to i5 65W decided against.

# ASRock Deskmini Z370 GTX 1060 6GB £550 barebones
Superb graphics but just 4USB ports.
https://m.newegg.com/global/uk/product/N82E16856158059

# Just announced ASRock Deskmini Z390 GTX 1080 8GB
barebones
81.9 * 154.5 * 213 mm
even better 8USB ports, 3* M.2 PCIe3*4 storage! takes 95W 8Core Intel i9 !!
* This is the killer for top of line latest 6core MacMini.*

https://www.asrock.com/nettop/Intel/Des ... TX%20(Z390)/index.asp
Probably £700.
Just add CPU + cooler, RAM dual channel, Storage.


I settled on

4c/8t 65W 3.6-3.9GHz AMD Ryzen5 2400G
with its Integrated Vega 11 Graphics


(see reviews from Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus).

This

Ryzen 4c/8t 3.6-3.9Ghz 65W 2400g performance is as
i7 4c/8t
+
Nvidia GT 1030, Gtx 750Ti graphics card.


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I wanted keep cool in usff mini itx case :
see height next to USB stick, next to RAM, standard headphones

# Antec Isk 110 usff case with 90W external psu : 78.6*212*222
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/antec-i ... table-mitx

# Stock AMD cpu cooler included with Ryzen5 2400G
remove top fan shroud (cooler becomes 44mm total height)
to fit inside Antec Isk110 case.
This AMD fan is audible.
https://www.quietpc.com/nh-l9a-am4
meant to be quieter.

# Motherboard AsRock Fatal1ty X370 Takes M.2 PCIe3*4
https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty% ... ing-ITXac/
(BIOS update required to take this Gen2 Ryzen 2400G.
Future Ryzen 7nm in 2019 with just BIOS update.
*Looking forward to Ryzen 7nm 8c/16t with Integrated Vega 25 Graphics equivalent Gtx1060*).

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# Gigabyte Ryzen AB350N mini itx Morherboard is also fine although ports are in irregular location.
Has 10Gbits/s Gen2 USB 3.1
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA ... -rev-10#kf

I have this Gigabyte Ryzen mini itx in another system for
Ryzen7 1700 8c/16t 65W 3.0-3.7Ghz

Replaces my 12c/24t Dual Xeon HP Z600 workstation.

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# Newer Motherboards doesn't require BIOS update for Gen2 Ryzen.
X470
https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty% ... /index.asp
B450
https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty% ... /index.asp


# X series for overclocking.
However I would Not recommend overclocking mini itx Motherboards :
insufficient power phases for overclocking;
don't have proper cooling on vrms (specifically MOSFETS)
although can purchase coolers.

*(If you want to overclock Der8auer is de Guru : youtube channel + website
Der8auer has his own professional products to aid overclocking we can purchase.
Der8auer co-designed case Lian Li 011).*


Mini Itx cases to consider

(These are 2-3*volume of Antec Isk110 I utilised).

Dan Case A4, Loque Ghost, Raijintek Ophion,
NCase M1, Cougar QBX,
Raijintek Metis Plus with top vent (original Metis doesn't have top vent),
Antec, Bitfenix, Geeek, Phanteks, Silverstone, Streacom : various models.

People are running full size Gtx 1080Ti in some of these Mini Itx cases with ATX psu, smaller SFX psu.

Provides us confidence
we can assemble music, video editing, streaming Mini Itx to match Atx
*as long as we dont require several PCIe ports nor overclock.*


PSU

I would suggest Platinum rated otherwise Gold rated.

Just because something is say Corsair or Seasonic 80+ Bronze rated doesn't necessarily mean they are hunky dory.

Here is a useful list of PSU tiers.
Try to purchase tier 1 or tier 2.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/63 ... t-updated/



Do your own research

Liliputing.com

Two of the most even handed thorough YouTube channels :

Hardware Unboxed : CPU performance, Memory performance as matched to CPU as matched to Graphics cards.

Gamers Nexus aka tech jesus ;-) CEO is a ginger Cat :-) :
tests especially useful power phases on motherboards, vrm cooling, case thermals, quiet cases.

They both have taken Intel to task recently for Intel's shennigans ... water is wet.

*(I avoid Tomshardware, Anandtech).*



This is my mini itx preferences for my purposes

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Your purposes are different from mine.

Nevertheless options are more aware of now anyone considering wishing to assemble mini itx.
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Re: Mini Itx 6.7*6.7 inch Motherboard system: Some Options

Postby Pete Kaine » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:34 am

tea for two wrote:Here is a useful list of PSU tiers.
Try to purchase tier 1 or tier 2.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/63 ... t-updated/

That's the best example I've seen in a long time of why you buy on a per model basis, rather than picking it based on brand.

EVGA has an entry at every single tier level and I can't say I disagree.
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7nm Ryzen 16Cores 32 Threads 3950X // 12Cores Re: Mini Itx 6.7*6.7 inch Motherboard system: Some Options

Postby tea for two » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:50 am

This is the most interesterting CPU announcement.

Particualrly as there's mini itx Ryzen x570 motherboards with next gen Pcie4 to take
November release 16C32T Ryzen 3950X //
Current 12C24T Ryzen 3900X

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There i was fairly content with my Ryzen 1700 8C16T £150

(Intel i9-9900k 8C16T £500
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-c ... 0mhz-gpu-9)

AMD only goes and brings out 7nm with new architecture
(Chiplet design, Faster Memory access, Increased cache, Increased efficiency, Better thermals)
whopping 16C 12C Ryzens.

Scan have 12C24T Ryzen 3900X TDP105W £530
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-ryz ... uswraith-p

16C32T Ryzen 3950X due November £750 1\2 price of intel i9-9960 16C32T £1500

with very likely better performace from Ryzen 3950X for CAD, 3D Modelling, Rendering, 8K Video editing.
With far better thermals lower power draw from Ryzen 3950X.

AMD provide Max TDP listing.

Intel list Minimum TDP ie Intel TDP higher under load
eg i9-9900k 8C16T £500 listed TDP 95W hits 170W

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/in ... -review/21

(Intel in cpu is where AMD was years earlier.
Very likely will take intel half a Decade to catch up to AMD.
Google Twitter are deploying AMD Epyc server chips upto 64Cores 128Threads hammering xeons).



Motherboard mini itx

Im looking at Thunderbolt3
Asrock X570 Phantom-Itx/tb3 its the only one with TB3
https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X570%20Ph ... /index.asp

£242 scan
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asrock- ... 3-mini-itx



Cases mini itx

Previously mentioned

tea for two wrote:Dan Case A4, Loque Ghost, Raijintek Ophion,
NCase M1, Cougar QBX,
Raijintek Metis Plus with top vent (original Metis doesn't have top vent),
Antec, Bitfenix, Geeek, Phanteks, Silverstone, Streacom : various models.

People are running full size Gtx 1080Ti in some of these Mini Itx cases with ATX psu, smaller SFX psu.

However the one i like for this Ryzen 3900X 3950X with X570 Motherboard is

Taobao C24
https://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail ... 511-tw.3.1

250*250*155

From Reddit
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From taobao
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Perforations side top bottom rear metal panels.

One of the smallest windowed cases that takes tall cpu coolers upto 140mm.

Takes Itx Motherboard 170*170
+ Standard Atx psu 150*140*87
I would put Sfx psu 120*100*65 as Platinum Corsair SF750.

Id like Green please Bob :-)



Systems

Here's scans various systems with Ryzen 3900X 12C24T starting from £2449 upto £3999
https://www.scan.co.uk/search?q=3900x

Most of us already have components
(psu, ram, nvme, ssd, standard rpm hard drives, graphics card)

Therefore just to purchase mini itx Ryzen X570 Motherboard £245
and 7nm Ryzen 3900X 12C24T £530 now or 3950X 16C32T £750 November.


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However if approx £1K outlay is perhaps beyond budget
HP Z800 larger workstation approx £400 with 12 Cores 24Threads
(2*Xeon X5670 2.93GHz or 2*Xeon X5690 3.46Ghz Lga1366)
is one of the best with plenty upgrade options.
I had the Z600 with Dual Xeons.
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Re: 7nm Ryzen 16Cores 32 Threads 3950X // 12Cores Re: Mini Itx 6.7*6.7 inch Motherboard system: Some Options

Postby Pete Kaine » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:03 am

tea for two wrote:Here's scans various systems with Ryzen 3900X 12C24T starting from £2449 up to £3999
https://www.scan.co.uk/search?q=3900x

Starting from £1600(ish) for the x570.
https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/configurator ... -studio-pc

I'm intrigued by them trying to shoehorn the 3900X into a MITX as they are running only slightly cooler than Intel, but the throttle point is also lower to match. Of course, I'm not sure I'd want to throw a 9900K in one either so rather interested to see how the cooling holds up.

I tend to stick with none "K" / none "X" series in more confined spaces.
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