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Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:13 pm
by mick.n
It has been over 18 years since i last put a click track down for a drummer to follow & my memory is not as good as it could be.

I have a backing track(s) that has got certain keyboard parts programmed (the track is an audio file) that has a click track also as an audio file.
Problem is, the click track sounds very nasty & would like to change it to a midifile based click track to enable me to use a different sound for the click.

Question is, can an audio click track somehow be changed into a midifile click track? I use Cubase V6.5 on Win 7.

Many thanks. :)

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:19 pm
by blinddrew
I'd assume Cubase has some kind of audio to midi plug-in doesn't it? Something that could be used for sample triggering for example?

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:24 pm
by Watchmaker
I thought all DAWs had a click track accessible outside of the channel/track modules.

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:39 pm
by Sam Spoons
A straight forward metronome is not the easiest thing to follow (as you say they sound horrible). I remembered there was an article by a drummer discussion this very issue and a quick search found it :D https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/creating-click-tracks-drummers

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:39 pm
by The Elf
You can ask Cubase to tempo-detect the audio click track to generate a new Tempo Track.

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:37 pm
by BJG145
If it's just a simple ticking in time without any tempo changes, I'd be inclined to start again and just throw something together with a MIDI loop and a percussion sample.

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:15 pm
by Watchmaker
Sam, that's a great post. Thanks for dredging that up

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:45 pm
by Mixedup
mick.n wrote:can an audio click track somehow be changed into a midifile click track? I use Cubase V6.5 on Win 7.

It's a while since I used v6.5, and can't recall the details from back then, but there's an extract MIDI function built into Cubase's Variaudio. The manual should tell you what you need to know about that...

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:47 pm
by mick.n
Thank you all for replying, I tried the variaudio process that Mixedup mentioned.....all it did was extract a few random notes here & there.............had a good giggle on hearing the result. :lol:

Also, some of the backing tracks have been recorded "freely"......to put down a click track to these would mean recording myself tapping away on a keyboard triggering a click sound on one of my boards for the duration of the backing track.

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:35 pm
by The Elf
VariAudio isn't the tool for this. Just do a tempo detection on the audio click track. If you don't have one, then tap a MIDI keyboard along and use the tapped MIDI notes for the tempo. The manual covers creating tempo from tapping.

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:46 am
by djangodeadman
Alternatively, you can use hitpoint detection on your audio click track and then create midi notes from your hitpoints. Use the midi track that you create this way to trigger whatever sound(s) you want.

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:02 pm
by Sam Spoons
Any suggestions how to do this in Reaper? I want to extract a beat map from a rhythmic audio track.

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:14 pm
by blinddrew
Hmmm, I'll need to go back to an older project and work out what I did Sam. I was adding a snare drum sample to a not-tracked-to-a-click recording and just used one of the stock plug-ins.
Won't get chance to check for a couple of days though.

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:27 pm
by Alba
Sam Spoons wrote:Any suggestions how to do this in Reaper? I want to extract a beat map from a rhythmic audio track.

I use this method.... https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=14737

But isse from the top of that thread that the SWS extensions chaps have found a better way that I haven't yet tried but looks slicker...

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=118061

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:17 pm
by Sam Spoons
Thanks :thumbup:

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:59 pm
by babaorum
But in Cubase you can assign a sample 'high' and a sample 'low' to the clic in the click configuration , did you see it ? (maybe I didn't have right understood :smirk:

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:40 pm
by Sam Spoons
I think I'm going to go a different route and use Reaper to drive the synth via midi from the start. Seems that will be simpler to achieve.

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:05 pm
by blinddrew
I used the JS: Audio to MIDI Drum Trigger plug-in. Might be worth a stab? I found it surprisingly effective without needing any other gating or 'owt like that.

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:17 pm
by Sam Spoons
Ooh that sounds worth a try :thumbup:

Re: Click track revisited.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:21 am
by Alba
A Mic on the floor when you're jamming and just tap your boot on the '1' or whatever's appropriate will provide a nice audio click you can easily convert to midi later, a quick clean up of the bits where one becomes more excited and there's your tempo mapper track.