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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby james090 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:18 pm

Thank you for all your responses on this, but thought I should just add to this, whilst not technically music-related for this bit...

I am still wondering why this i3 8GB W10 laptop was slower, so just decided to do an internet speed test.

My old Core2Duo w10 4GB laptop which is about dead, comes up with 32mbps download and 9.28mbps upload on Wi-Fi.

I then tested the i3 8GB W10 laptop, and it was 11.5mbps download, and 6.6mbps upload!!

When I cabled it to the Router, direct it was back up in the 37mbps download and 9.27mbps upload.

So.... what is happening with my internal modem in my newer i3?
is there something daft that I haven't downloaded even though it keeps updating every shut down, as W10 does!

Any help please as to why its so slow over the internet, before looking at some Audio Tweaks.. :?:
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Pete Kaine » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:26 am

First of all, I'm a little shocked that you got a C2D machine fully running Windows 10. No real point to that, just expressing my surprise.

That aside, W10 isn't supposed to update on every shutdown, so my initial stab in the dark would be that you've got a broken Windows update service that is looping in the background. It would explain bandwidth being chewed and it always trying to and I can only assume failing to update?

Can you confirm that it acutrly the case?

Click start and type "windows update". Click on update all and see if you can get to a state where it tells you everything is up to date.

Now when you shut down, does it just shut down?
If yes, try a reboot and speed test again.

Any antivirus on the i3 that isn't on the other one?
Are the network drivers up to date? It can make a huge difference.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby james090 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:44 am

Hi Pete,

Thanks for your reply. I will try this when i get back to the laptop.

It was a fresh install of W10 on this i3 and I haven't installed any 3rd party Anti-Virus, I just keep the main Windows one enabled.

Not every shutdown, i admit comes up with Windows Updates, but its almost every one.. as windows seems to keep adding and adding telling you, you need them.

As it is up to speed (internet wise) when I plug an Ethernet cable in, I am thinking this must be the network drivers for the internal modem? as you mention, and something going on with these?
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Agharta » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:36 am

Slower WiFi speed sometimes is due to the software defaulting to a slower connection type such as 2.5GHz N versus 5Ghz AC.
If your router supports the latter then check that the WiFi adapter also does and Google for how to get it to choose that automatically.
I had this problem and it slowed the connection down by a massive amount.

I'd also check that the power settings aren't stopping the CPU from running at 100% and that might vary depending on whether running on battery or not.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby CS70 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:27 pm

james090 wrote:Does anyone have any Windows 10 tweaks to speed this up for audio, and secondly for general web surfing? or any tips on what to do to get this up to speed, so it at least overtakes my older Core-2-Duo?

Being a laptop, it's possible the previous one was simply set in high performance mode while the new one, just installed, defaults to balanced? That would make it slower.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby james090 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:29 pm

CS70 wrote:Being a laptop, it's possible the previous one was simply set in high performance mode while the new one, just installed, defaults to balanced? That would make it slower.

Can you reveal where high performance mode/balanced mode is please? :)
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Agharta » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:41 pm

james090 wrote:Can you reveal where high performance mode/balanced mode is please? :)

Control Panel
Hardware and Sound
Power Options

The modes showing will depend on what the OEM installed at the factory.
Try adding a new Power Plan and choose the High Performance Option and you can tweak it if required and save it as 'My Plan' so that you don't overwrite the pre-installed plans.

After creating that and selecting it you then want to use some software to stress the CPU and monitor that the CPU is running at full speed.
Let us know when you have done the above first and give us the model number of your CPU.
Download CPU-Z as that will give you basic details of your PC including the CPU:
https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Pete Kaine » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:25 pm

james090 wrote:As it is up to speed (internet wise) when I plug an Ethernet cable in, I am thinking this must be the network drivers for the internal modem? as you mention, and something going on with these?

There isn't an internal modem in this instance.

The modem these days is your router. Inside the machine is the network devices which are wifi or ethernet. Both do the same job, which is to talk to the router.

So, to clarify.

Are you saying that it runs at full tilt when you plug in an ethernet cable and hardwire it?
But it runs badly only on Wi-fi?

Ok, so a couple of things. The new wifi might not be as capable of pulling a strong signal as the old one. To check this sit next to your router and retest with both. If the new one is still slower we can rule that out.

We do this test as walls can impact the signal and if the new one has a weak aerial then you'll notice it as a slow down when your a few rooms away. Sitting next to the router gets rid of the walls from the equation.

If it's still far slower in that scenario, then a driver update might help... well, worth a punt at any rate. If you're not sure you're looking for driver wise, tell us what the laptop is and we can suss it out for you.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Agharta » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:40 pm

With WiFi you really need to know the basics to make sure you aren't limiting your bandwidth.
I will look for a guide online.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby james090 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:58 pm

Thanks for you replies.

So i did a handful of performance tweaks on Windows 10 and got rid of some bloat, settings, etc.

I also checked the drivers for my network etc which all seemed up to date.

So to recap my original post, I have Fibre Broadband at the home.

I tested with the Google internet speed test, on my iMac, C2d 4GB old W10 laptop, and this i3 8GB 500GB laptop W10, which is newer.

The iMac and C2d 4GB old W10 laptop came out with 37mbps roughly on Wifi.
The newer i3 8GB 500GB laptop W10 on Wifi comes out at around 15-17mbps on Wifi?!

I did plug an Ethernet cable into the i3 8GB 500GB laptop and it seemed to go back up with the others to 37.6mbps.

Which is why i'm guessing, its either my modem (if it exists) or my W10 install?
I have all the W10 updates done and installed, and high performace mode enabled now, plus turned off a load of unecessary bloat.

So thats where I am.. :)
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Agharta » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:32 pm

Download and run something like this:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/p/wifi- ... verviewtab

Report back the following:
Frequency
Protocol
Channel

You need to make sure the WiFi adapter (it's not a modem) is configured for the best performance.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby james090 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:45 pm

Agharta wrote:Download and run something like this:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/p/wifi- ... verviewtab

Report back the following:
Frequency
Protocol
Channel.

Ok so downloaded and installed, and results as follows :

Frequency - 2.437Ghz
Protocol - 802.11n
Channel - 6
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Agharta » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:01 pm

james090 wrote:Ok so downloaded and installed, and results as follows :

Frequency - 2.437Ghz
Protocol - 802.11n
Channel - 6

Ideally you want to be running 5GHz 802.11AC provided both your router and WiFi Adapter support it.
You'd need to give the make and model of both of those so it can be checked.

Go to the System Tray, locate the Internet icon, click on it, then click Properties, scroll to the bottom and note the Manufacturer, Description and Driver Version.
Report back with these details for the adapter.
For the Router you will need to look at it for details.

Another thing to look for is channel contention. If there are multiple local WiFi networks using the same channel that can be a problem.
Hopefully if you can move to using AC from N then your problems will be solved.
If not, you need to use the app you download to scan for local WiFi networks.
If there is contention you should login to the router and change the channel to one that is free of contention.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby james090 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:16 pm

Right, thank you for this help!

The Router is a TalkTalk one we were supplied as we moved up to Fibre Broadband, (but still not that impressed, but its not my account).

Router : Not sure of model but its a standard V-shape TalkTalk Router (Fibre)
https://www.talktalk.co.uk/shop/broadband/super-router (Super Router)

Laptop Wifi Adaptor : Broadcom Netlink Gigabit Ethernet
Driver : 15.6.1.3 updated 18/8/2015 (says im on the latest driver?)

Looking at Neighbours channels it looks like a lot of us seem to be on Ch6 (inc me)!
And some are Ch11 ?

i am not sure how to log into the router? is this done with a wired cable?
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Agharta » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:42 pm

james090 wrote:Laptop Wifi Adaptor : Broadcom Netlink Gigabit Ethernet
That says Ethernet and doesn't give a Model name which doesn't help.

Try this:
Control Panel - System and security - System - Device Manager - Network Adapters.
Expand the list and look for a Wireless Adapter and note the name and model number.
Double click it and select the advanced tab.
Look for a property called something like 802.11n/ac Wireless mode and note the setting. See if you can change it to 802.11ac which would make it choose AC over N which is what you want.
Look also for a property called Preferred Band and set it to Prefer 5GHz.

After you've done this disable and re-enable WiFi and using the method used before check to see if you are now connecting with AC rather than N.
Even if you are stuck on N changing it to 5Ghz should help.
If it hasn't changed then reboot the laptop.

The router should easily be new enough to support AC.
No need to login at this point.
You can login using Ethernet or WiFi.
Instructions may be on the router itself including a password which is different to the WiFi password.
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