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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Agharta » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:44 pm

I will get back to you on other details later.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby CS70 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:22 pm

james090 wrote:Right, logging into the Router, it clearly shows two columns for Wi-fi 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz.

it looks like Now TV connects (and is the only thing) connected to 5Ghz.

And under 2.4Ghz (which i assume is slower), is 2 iPhones, 2 relatively new iPads, this Laptop etc

Are they all connecting wrongly to the slower speed then? :headbang:

It's a very reasonable guess- Old laptops have old wireless card which may often not support 5GHz protocols. You can simply try to turn off the 2.4Ghz network on the router (most routers allow separte control) and if your laptop simply doesn't find any wireless network (at least, none of yours) then it means it's not able to connect.

If that's the case., it can be usually easily remedied disabling the internal wireless device and buying a 5Ghz USB dongle.

For ipad and iphone, they should support 5Ghz, but since they tend to remember which network they connect to, you may simply have selected the 2.4Ghz the first time and that's where they connect. Also channels over 11 sometimes give network interfaces some issues, so you might try to set the router to a lower number channel.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby CS70 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:43 pm

james090 wrote:
Also i can't see how an older Dell e5500 C2D is connecting to 5GHz?

You're right, it doesn't. According to the specs, it supports 802.11g at most, which has 54Mbit/sec max transfer rate on the 2.4Ghz band.

For the Acer, what model is it? (if you said it already I didnt catch it)
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Agharta » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:50 pm

USB WiFi dongles aren't exactly user friendly so you may well be able to upgrade the internal WiFi chip to something that supports WiFi-AC for a small amount: £5 - £15.

There are many different flavours of WiFi-AC, so first you need to ascertain what your router supports and what flavour you need to support the maximum throughput that your router offers.
Then you need to work out the best that your laptop supports which relates to the following:

How many antennae does the laptop have?
What is the maximum that these antennae support?
What physical format of WiFi chip is supported?
Does your laptop manufacturer use a white-list or blacklist for WiFi chips?

It's not as bad as it sounds but I'd need to do some research after we have have looked further at maximising what you can get from your current set-up.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby james090 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:30 am

Ok so some more testing on this with results below :

i5 Apple iMac : Connects under 5Ghz Router setting. Test is 31.3 mbps down / 8.74 up

Dell E5500 : Connects under 5Ghz Router setting!!? Test is 25.8 mbps down / 9.17 up

Acer Aspire 5742 : Connects under 2.4Ghz Router setting. Test is 21.5 mbps down / 8.64 up

iPad Air 2 : Connects under 2.4Ghz Router setting. Test is 36.1 mbps down / 9.81 up
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Looking at the 2 x Windows laptops settings I see :

Dell E5500 :
Protocol : 802.11g
Security : WPA2-Personal
Network Band : 5Ghz
Network Channel : 36

Acer Aspire 5742 :
Protocol : 802.11n
Security : WPA2-Personal
Network Band : 2.4Ghz
Network Channel : 6

So there are my results.
The strange thing is that my Dell E5500 seems to connect under 5Ghz! and its old, but wondered why this 'seemed' faster?! The Acer Aspire laptop only connects under 2.4Ghz?
As does also the Apple iPad Air 2 at 2.4Ghz?

Is there a way that i can get everything to connect all the time, to the 5GHZ setting, as this is a pretty mixed bag at the moment, and it looks like the Acer is the slowest?? :headbang:
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby ef37a » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:56 am

Last night, after reading this thread I did some tests on my rather old living room PC.
AMD Ath' 2core 3G Asus MOBO* 4Gram and a 240G SSD with 75% spare.

Ethernet from TTlk router via 2mtrs of CAT5e Network card is Nvidia 10/100/1000 mbps.

Ookla gives: 33.7/29.3 dn...9.24/8.92 up ping 19/13mS (two goes)

Watchdog: 38.0/37.8dn 9.9/9.1 up ping 11.9/12.1

Broad Band Speed checker: 30.43 dn 8.13 up ping 137mS !!! Why?

M-Lab: 34.5 dn 7.5 up ping 10mS

So, who is telling the Gospel? My HP i3 laptop tops out at 24/25 down but always hit 9+ upload with Ookla. Router is a mtr away.

I am on Fibre to Cabinet BTW and the cabinet is about 50mtrs down the street.

*Speccy won't tell me about it now. Just says "Bad Allocation" whatever TF that means?

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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby Pete Kaine » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:31 pm

ef37a wrote:Ookla gives: 33.7/29.3 dn...9.24/8.92 up ping 19/13mS (two goes)

Watchdog: 38.0/37.8dn 9.9/9.1 up ping 11.9/12.1

Broad Band Speed checker: 30.43 dn 8.13 up ping 137mS !!! Why?

M-Lab: 34.5 dn 7.5 up ping 10mS

Whichever is fastest in this instance, it's all relative to the networks that it's coming from/over/too.

Everything your testing with is outside of your network, so if one of them is a multitude slower than the rest, then it's lag between you and it.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby james090 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:58 pm

Sorry for the late reply on this, but thanks for all your posts and contributions.

So to sum up quickly, is there a 5GHZ or faster small usb dongle that i can plug into my laptop as a small thumb drive that would give me the much faster internet? so i can cure this and the speed/internet issues?

I'd rather keep the 8GB i3 64-bit Windows 10 laptop (with a faster connection on usb wifi dongle), over the 4GB 32-bit C2D laptop which is about to die!

Any particular model usb internet dongle i should look at on say eBay or Amazon?

Thank you again for your help. :)
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby currentsound » Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:21 am

You can't compare laptop specs because laptops often don't have adequate cooling and throttle which means they run slower than their max spec'ed speed. So you also need to buy laptops with adequate cooling.
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Re: Newer Laptop slower than old? W10 tweaks?

Postby ef37a » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:09 am

james090 wrote:Sorry for the late reply on this, but thanks for all your posts and contributions.

So to sum up quickly, is there a 5GHZ or faster small usb dongle that i can plug into my laptop as a small thumb drive that would give me the much faster internet? so i can cure this and the speed/internet issues?

I'd rather keep the 8GB i3 64-bit Windows 10 laptop (with a faster connection on usb wifi dongle), over the 4GB 32-bit C2D laptop which is about to die!

Any particular model usb internet dongle i should look at on say eBay or Amazon?

Thank you again for your help. :)

Bump: I would like a similar dongle for wife's eMachine grotbox.

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