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Windows 10 1903

Postby Dynamic Mike » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:39 am

I have Windows 10 pro which I've updated to 1903. No problems as such, drivers etc. appear unchanged. Latency Monitor ticksover at one green bar, so what's not to like...

Well it appears updates can now only be delayed for 35 days, in blocks of 7 before they're forced upon you. So I checked in advanced/optimise delays and it appears you can limit how much bandwidth is used for downloading updates which Windows dynamically allocates unless you tell it otherwise. Presumably setting background/foreground limits to zero would delay it indefinitely?

More concerning though is Windows has decided to allocate 500GB of your upload allocation and all of your bandwidth to updating other PCs on the internet.

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Should all these be ticked & zeroed? I'm getting tired of Microsoft making decisions for me & not even having the common courtesy to inform me, let alone ask me first.

I've also just been advised whilst posting this that snipping tool is 'moving home'? I bet there'll be a share on basefook option & 'snips' will be accessible by MS to improve services. Maybe they'll rename it 'snooping tool' to go with the sneakily installed 'let microsoft read ever word you type' to help us help you that automatically default to 'on' with Windows 10.
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby Pete Kaine » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:22 am

Snipping replacement tool: https://www.ghacks.net/2018/07/01/goodb ... en-sketch/

There are half a dozen Window update blocking tools, just throw "block windows update tool" into Google and pick the one that has the features you want.
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby OneWorld » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:20 pm

Pete Kaine wrote:Snipping replacement tool: https://www.ghacks.net/2018/07/01/goodb ... en-sketch/

There are half a dozen Window update blocking tools, just throw "block windows update tool" into Google and pick the one that has the features you want.

IN my case I'm stuck in a loop. My Win10 notifications says I need to download and install updates, and when I try to it never completes and says my version of Win10 is out of date and needs upgrading and then I click the button to upgrade and that takes me to updates which says I need to download and install updates, and when I try to it never completes and says my version of Win10 is out of date and needs upgrading and then I click the button to upgrade and that takes me to updates which says I need to download and install updates, and when I try to it never completes and says my version of Win10 is out of date and needs upgrading and then I click the button to upgrade and that takes me to updates ...........you get the idea am sure :-)
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby CS70 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:00 pm

Well I would never dream of stopping updates, but if you really want to, what about simply disabling the Windows Update service?
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby Pete Kaine » Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:49 pm

OneWorld wrote:IN my case I'm stuck in a loop.

Delete the windows update temp folder.

https://www.ghacks.net/2017/11/16/how-t ... ate-files/

If your last update predates the 1903 release from a few months back, you could try a manual forced update.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/softwar ... /windows10
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby OneWorld » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:32 pm

CS70 wrote:Well I would never dream of stopping updates, but if you really want to, what about simply disabling the Windows Update service?

At first it appeared that wily old windows got around that dastardly people that turned off updates but software soon appeared that gave back control to the user and I put that software on my music computer, and forgot about it. The one day thought - hang on I haven't updated for a while, over a year! So I updated, and OMG, a year's worth of updates all being put on at once, rendered 2 of my pieces of hardware non-functioning :-( but after driver updates, they're working again :-) so I do update now, so thanks for the tip but yes I have updates turned off but now monitor the situation.

With my other older computer, the one that won't update, I suspect it is so old that Win1903 doesn't like it although it is a perfectly useable 4 core xeon box with 16 gigRAM SSD drives and for general web/office/web work is as fast as I could contemplate ever needing. So after reading up on the internet it seems many people have chosen not to update to 1903 anyway.
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby OneWorld » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:34 pm

Pete Kaine wrote:
OneWorld wrote:IN my case I'm stuck in a loop.

Delete the windows update temp folder.

https://www.ghacks.net/2017/11/16/how-t ... ate-files/

If your last update predates the 1903 release from a few months back, you could try a manual forced update.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/softwar ... /windows10

Thanks, I tried updating again and the message that keeps appearing is that "Windows cannot configure and item..." or words to that effect, I think I'll stick with the older version for now.
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby 2pods » Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:37 pm

More concerning though is Windows has decided to allocate 500GB of your upload allocation and all of your bandwidth to updating other PCs on the internet.

Not happy about that one little bit :protest: :evil:
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby Pete Kaine » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:26 am

2pods wrote:
Not happy about that one little bit :protest: :evil:

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-prev ... windows-10
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby Dynamic Mike » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:41 am

Pete Kaine wrote:
2pods wrote:
Not happy about that one little bit :protest: :evil:

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-prev ... windows-10

Thanks for that. I've no wish to stop downloading updates, I just don't appreciate being unable to decide whether or when to allow other PC's on the internet to use my bandwidth for their updates. I have unlimited broadband at home so there no real cost issue (other than possible interruptions), it's the principle. I can't nip around to my neighbour's house or Bill Gate's house & use their bandwidth without asking, so why does MS think it's entitled to use mine?

For sure there's a work around if you're moderately PC savvy, but most users won't even be aware what's going on in the background because MS didn't bother to tell anyone, and for some of those there will be a cost implication. They're basically building a peer to peer network for free with no option to opt out. I don't see any significant difference between this and cryptojacking other than the purpose.
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby Pete Kaine » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:52 pm

BITS from my understanding is essentially the same tech as BitTorrent so yes, you're right in your P2P delivery assesment.

It has also featured "peer casting" as a feature since Windows Vista and this same peer sharing question pop'd up after W7 launched.

Agreed, that I don't agree with giving away bandwidth but it's been a thing since the mid 00's and they've done pretty well refining the use of spare bandwidth only without it being obstructive. GIven BITS itself has been part of the OS for going on two decades now, that's possibly why it's no longer in the public eye, it's simply become part of the furniture at this point.

I recall it being announed and being aghast at it, but unlike cryptojacking, it's not thrashing the rest of your resources in the process. There was a BIT's overhaul a few years back that prioritized realistic traffic management (i.e. it won't share on a metered connection) around 2012, largely to answer the questions that had arisen at the time of it being a bit resource hungry.

I get the annoyance but it looks like it's just here to stay at this point.
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Re: Windows 10 1903

Postby scw » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:25 pm

Pete Kaine wrote:
2pods wrote:
Not happy about that one little bit :protest: :evil:

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-prev ... windows-10
Thanks for that link Pete :thumbup:
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