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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby wireman » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:22 pm

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wireman wrote:By the way I just got a W10 laptop from work (have not used it before) and I still can't work out how to get a volume control on the taskbar so this is going to be a learning curve.

If it's not present at all then make sure it is turned on in the "turn system icon on or off" in settings, if you then want it to be permanently on teh task bar (without clicking the "more"/up button (it's probably not called that) then either drag it from the "more" menu to the task bar or use the "select which icons appear on the taskbar" settings page to have it on view permanently.

I already checked the taskbar settings and that it was enabled within the system icons, other icons enabled in those settings do show. I don't have a more menu, at least not something like what I had in Windows 7. I even resorted to asking my son who has used Windows 10 for a while now, he has the icon.
W10 will quite happily show the volume control/mixer and put the icon on the left of the taskbar when that is running.
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Watchmaker » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:25 pm

Much ado about nothing.

Win7 is a decent OS. Win10 is a rapacious data whore with some enhanced capability and is a decent, not amazing or great, OS.

The odds that your Win7 machine will be a target for any miscreants is minimal, especially if you use your Win10 machine to surf porn. Then you can judge how much better it is for security. Flatly, every OS is relatively easy to hack, but the overwhelming majority are simply not worth the time. Most "hacks" are akin to a priest and a virgin walking into a biker bar and asking to "be served."

Another quibble from me: most of the win10 Acolytes I've run across are perfectly comfortable having every key stroke recorded by the NSA. I don't share that level of trust, so Win10 is a major concern for me and I've gone to extreme lengths to moderate its behaviors.

As in all things: caveat emptor.
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby CS70 » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:36 pm

Watchmaker wrote:The odds that your Win7 machine will be a target for any miscreants is minimal, especially if you use your Win10 machine to surf porn.

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Another quibble from me: most of the win10 Acolytes I've run across are perfectly comfortable having every key stroke recorded by the NSA. I don't share that level of trust, so Win10 is a major concern for me and I've gone to extreme lengths to moderate its behaviors.

Agreed, but by the same meter, who in NSA can be possibly interested in our keystrokes? :D
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:06 pm

If the NSA were genuinely interested in your typings, it really wouldn't matter which OS you decide to use...
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Eddy Deegan » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:08 pm

Watchmaker wrote: most of the win10 Acolytes I've run across are perfectly comfortable having every key stroke recorded by the NSA. I don't share that level of trust, so Win10 is a major concern for me and I've gone to extreme lengths to moderate its behaviors.

Err, you don't have to go to extreme lengths. What you do have to do is spend an annoying half hour or so meticulously going through every privacy setting and disabling them as appropriate.

For typing, just disable the "Inking & typing personalisation" switch in the privacy settings.

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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Eddy Deegan » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:09 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:If the NSA were genuinely interested in your typings, it really wouldn't matter which OS you decide to use...

Spot on, Hugh.
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Pete Kaine » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:45 am

For those that prefer the shotgun approach.

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby The Elf » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:53 pm

Pete Kaine wrote:For those that prefer the shotgun approach.

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Marbury » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:08 pm

A friend had a nightmare getting my old windows 7 sd drive updated with 10 as the new pc motherboard it is going into is usb 3, and the computer that it came out of is usb 2. tried everything to no avail as it won’t install onto the drive because that drive was installed on a usb 2 motherboard.
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Pete Kaine » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:01 pm

The drive is connected over SATA through?

So, it's not installing because it's causing BSOD's due to the wrong USB driver found in the old install?

Try the following: Disable the USB3 headers in BIOS, get into windows, update chipset and everything else relevent.

Now find the correct USB driver, install, reboot, enable USB 3, cross fingers.
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Watchmaker » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:48 pm

Doesn't WIN10 require hardware authentication? The computer might simply be too old

Re: State spying on individuals..I can think of a couple of glaring examples where a benign indifference panned out very badly for all. Having grown up inside the military industrial complex, my distrust has never lessened. Why just last night I spent another two hours trolling through Group Policy turning off dozens of parameters that miraculously reset themselves.

If only Mac ran Excel properly I'd have no use for Windows :-(
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Marbury » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:46 am

Pete Kaine wrote:The drive is connected over SATA through?

So, it's not installing because it's causing BSOD's due to the wrong USB driver found in the old install?

Try the following: Disable the USB3 headers in BIOS, get into windows, update chipset and everything else relevent.

Now find the correct USB driver, install, reboot, enable USB 3, cross fingers.

He managed to install Win 10 onto a separate ssd drive, while keeping my old ssd with all my apps, programs etc BUT now win 10 is installed on this new pc, all my desktop icons are gone and I can not access any of my programs as they were. They are all on the drive as they were on win 7 but the new pc does not see them as the old one had them. All I want are my old programs and settings (including windows live mail) but I cant find a way of restoring everything as it was in win 7. Win 10 I do not like the look of and feel lost with. I still have my files backed up onto an external usb, as well as the old win 7 drive cloned from the ssd. Its just getting my old familiar settings back that seems impossible at the moment. Its a nightmare and I am panicking somewhat. I really don’t want to go through every single program and install from scratch. Even clicking on a saved Reaper DAW icon from an old project recalls it wrong with no Omnisphere or UI I had set up.

Can I get these old settings from backup and restore I recently created in Win 7 ?
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Pete Kaine » Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:21 pm

Watchmaker wrote:Doesn't WIN10 require hardware authentication? The computer might simply be too old

Only if you have a pre-built and pre-installed OEM licence. It doesn't apply to retail or off the shelf and self-installed OEM.

Marbury wrote:He managed to install Win 10 onto a separate ssd drive, while keeping my old ssd with all my apps, programs etc BUT now win 10 is installed on this new pc, all my desktop icons are gone and I can not access any of my programs as they were.

So, this is on the clean install W10 and you're expecting it to pick-up the previous install programs off the second drive which is the W7 install?

Firstly, the BSOD might be down to there being two boot loaders in there, if it's reading from one and trying to action the other then it wouldn't be the first time I've come across that.

Your icons are within your desktop profile on the old drive. Documents, desktop etc... are always stored within the user profile, largely so that any scenario that uses hotdesking will be able to replicate it across a domain, although as a home user won't have the capability to do this.

Programs when installed to an OS log all it's settings, keys etc.. in the local registry under the user that installed it or all users depending on the tick box you picked on the day. The only way to keep the files as it sounds like you want would be to do an inline install upgrade, rather than a fresh install. "Laplink PC mover" is the closest thing to a third party program that is able to migrate installed software between systems and whilst I've never used it myself, I have other clients who have feedback around 80% - 90% success rate after trying it out.

Marbury wrote: They are all on the drive as they were on win 7 but the new pc does not see them as the old one had them. All I want are my old programs and settings (including windows live mail) but I cant find a way of restoring everything as it was in win 7.
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Can I get these old settings from backup and restore I recently created in Win 7 ?


No, the process doesn't exist natively. You can go into the old OS and lift the Mail .PST files (archive) and import that with a bit of Googling, You're otherwise largely looking at a full reinstall otherwise unless you try Laplink.
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Marbury » Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:11 pm

I have decided to keep the old pc alongside the new and gradually migrate everything over.

Presently the new pc has win 10 os installed on a small 100mb sdd drive so what I have done is ordered a 500gb ssd so I can install all my programs afresh (long and laborious task) while referring back to my old pc to see the paths etc (Omnisphere is the worst culprit as it has footprints all over my old pc) or (if you can confirm this is a better setup) clone the win 10 install from the current small ssd onto the new 500gb with all the programs and apps. Then I have a new 2TB fast mechanical drive for all my saved media (videos/music/images etc) or is there no harm having the os on a seperate drive ?

Cloning will save all the trouble of another installation which takes a long time.
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Pete Kaine » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:12 pm

OS and programs on C:\ drive, everything else wherever you want.
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Re: Windows 7 no longer supported....

Postby Marbury » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:35 am

Pete Kaine wrote:OS and programs on C:\ drive, everything else wherever you want.

Thanks, and sorry I didn’t see this reply before I made the other post.
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