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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby Trevor Johnson » Wed May 06, 2020 1:23 pm

I don't have access to a voltmeter

A small digital multimeter, available for under a tenner, will be so useful in the future, particularly for basic checks, e.g. wall-wart voltages, continuity of cables, etc.. May be worth buying one anyway.
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby Marbury » Wed May 06, 2020 4:54 pm

Trevor Johnson wrote:
I don't have access to a voltmeter

A small digital multimeter, available for under a tenner, will be so useful in the future, particularly for basic checks, e.g. wall-wart voltages, continuity of cables, etc.. May be worth buying one anyway.

I know nothing about electronics so not sure it would be a worthy investment.
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby The Elf » Wed May 06, 2020 5:47 pm

Marbury wrote:
Trevor Johnson wrote:
I don't have access to a voltmeter
A small digital multimeter, available for under a tenner, will be so useful in the future, particularly for basic checks, e.g. wall-wart voltages, continuity of cables, etc.. May be worth buying one anyway.
I know nothing about electronics so not sure it would be a worthy investment.
Even if you only use its beeper for checking cables - it really *is* a worthy investment.
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby Marbury » Wed May 06, 2020 9:50 pm

The Elf wrote:
Marbury wrote:
Trevor Johnson wrote:
I don't have access to a voltmeter
A small digital multimeter, available for under a tenner, will be so useful in the future, particularly for basic checks, e.g. wall-wart voltages, continuity of cables, etc.. May be worth buying one anyway.
I know nothing about electronics so not sure it would be a worthy investment.
Even if you only use its beeper for checking cables - it really *is* a worthy investment.

Fair enough, I will pick one up from Amazon next time I shop. Its not essential but I don’t like waste. Its s till a good machine when it stays on just for a backup machine if my new one goes down. Just having a bad time with computers at the moment.
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby blinddrew » Wed May 06, 2020 10:21 pm

I feel for you. :(
You and Howdy Doody Time should get together and compare stories, he's having a series of issues with his macs.

This thread is making me a little nervous though; my machine must be about a decade old I think. :?
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby resistorman » Thu May 07, 2020 4:01 am

So to sum up, you have an old machine that has served you well. It’s broken, but you’re reluctant to let it go. You’re not a tech, you sensibly don’t want to spend any money to fix it, and even if you did, chances are high that something else will go shortly thereafter. Sad to say, but its time has come. Take out the hard drive and give the rest to the recycling center.
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby Marbury » Thu May 07, 2020 8:19 am

resistorman wrote:So to sum up, you have an old machine that has served you well. It’s broken, but you’re reluctant to let it go. You’re not a tech, you sensibly don’t want to spend any money to fix it, and even if you did, chances are high that something else will go shortly thereafter. Sad to say, but its time has come. Take out the hard drive and give the rest to the recycling center.

As it was a business purchase I won't be losing anything. I have often thought I would rather give to a charity who could use any of my old gear rather than chuck it out. It's a bit like taking a safety net away not having it to fall back on. All my windows live mail and Microsoft Works data is also on that which I can't run on windows 10. Granted the data is backed up but unable to run on windows 10. I unfortunately get serious anxiety about all this (and other "stuff") that gets in the way of creativity. At the same time I hate clutter which also has the same negative effect.
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby ef37a » Thu May 07, 2020 9:30 am

"I know nothing about electronics so not sure it would be a worthy investment."

You didn't know anything about computers until you got one and it is very hard to learn unless you do!

A modest digital multimeter (and go a score FCS!) will give you an insight into the basics of electricity. Amps, Volts, Ohms are just the same arithmetic as Speed Distance, Time, no mystery.

I have been riding this hobby horse for over a decade, since I got internet basically. I refuse to believe that a person that can function in this modern world, learn to drive, cook a decent meal, hold down a job and keep track of money cannot learn at least enough electronics to get by with simple systems.

Whilst we must ALWAYS promote safety on the forums people have, IMO become needlessly over cautious about electrics as they apply to audio. A good example is the way some folks think phantom power has the ability to destroy the world!

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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby Folderol » Thu May 07, 2020 9:44 am

Got to agree with all the above. You can get a surprisingly useful one for less than £15 these days, and I've lost count of the number of people who (under protest) get one just for testing leads, then realise they can also use it to check fuses... then batteries, light bulbs (incandescent ones).

After that, for a short while, many become a nuisance to the rest of the family as they go on a testing spree of everything in sight :lol:
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby ef37a » Thu May 07, 2020 10:00 am

Thank you Will.
Meant to say to OP, why not look for a modest W7 laptop and then clone the hard drive in the dodgy machine to it before consigning it to WEEE?

I have 3 W7 machines. The desktop in my living room runs a printer/scanner and goes on the net every day to get me BBC R3 but I rarely do email on it.

The i3 HP laptop must be approaching 8 years old and gets used less and less but has useful things on it like Samplitude SE8 (I like the meters!) and Adobe Audition 1.5. I DO go online with it if I am using it and need to and have never had a problem yet.

Last of all is an Asus home build with an AMD 6 core 3G CPU and that is the 'music computer' but that gets rare use now. W7 but on copper so that is only plugged in for very rare purposes.

Maybe W7 WILL melt down as promised but I see no sign so far...AND I keep getting updates!

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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby Pete Kaine » Thu May 07, 2020 11:06 am

The Elf wrote:Just seen your other thread. Hopefully we can get that one running smoothly for you!

In this situation, I would place both systems side by side and run the 24 pin and 4Pin (board and CPU) from the new system to the old one if it reaches.

It should power up and display with just those two cables as long as the GPU doesn't need a direct power cable and would at least solve the "is/isn't it" question and you hopefully could get away without undoing all the wiring on the new setup.

It essentially ends up looking like your trying to jump-start a car, does the job through for a quick test.
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby James Perrett » Thu May 07, 2020 1:58 pm

The Elf wrote:
Marbury wrote:
Trevor Johnson wrote:
I don't have access to a voltmeter
A small digital multimeter, available for under a tenner, will be so useful in the future, particularly for basic checks, e.g. wall-wart voltages, continuity of cables, etc.. May be worth buying one anyway.
I know nothing about electronics so not sure it would be a worthy investment.
Even if you only use its beeper for checking cables - it really *is* a worthy investment.

Even the meters that CPC sell for £3 are perfectly usable (although there's no continuity buzzer so you have to watch the display).
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby ef37a » Fri May 08, 2020 8:59 am

Furthermore, even a cheap digital meter will read AC audio and can be invaluable sometimes in tracing a signal. This is in contrast to the passive Moving Coil meters many of us were brought up on. AC audio voltmeters were specialist tools rarely seen even in R&TV workshops of the 60s and 70s.

A digital meter has a high enough input impedance and sensitivity to read down to -10dBV signals at least. Do not however rely on them for accuracy past about 1kHz. (yes, ONE!) and even expensive "True rms" meters ain't other than at 'power' frequencies.

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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby Marbury » Sun May 10, 2020 9:35 am

Ok, been somewhat busy these last few days to do any serious testing advised here but I just tried it in safe mode and tried to run the crash log but it switched off yet again before it had chance to run a report.

If I get a multimeter, will I be able to tell if the power PSU is faulty with one ? If so, that will be my next step. I am also concerned how many times I can try booting the pc before it actually does damage to the cpu.
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Re: Windows 7 PC suddenly powers off

Postby Marbury » Fri May 22, 2020 2:38 pm

Another reason I need my old PC running is to access my older work in Cubase SX3. I would have to reinstall it all again, probably no longer getting authorisation.
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