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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby Eddy Deegan » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:38 am

GTR_RO wrote:I looked at Presonus but something concerned me - that I can't use external plugins. I'm not sure what those are, but suspect they are like Analog Lab and Aria Player and a collection of instruments I have that require Kontrol Player. If that's true then Presonus is out.

You are correct - external plugins include those things you mention. However I wouldn't rule out Presonus Studio One just yet because you can choose from three versions. The most basic is Studio One Prime, which does not support 3rd part plugins. The mid-range version is Studio One Artist, which you can buy an add-on for which does allow you to use 3rd party plugins, and the most advanced version is Studio One Professional which allows you to use 3rd party plugins as standard.

There is a comparison chart of the versions here: https://www.presonus.com/products/Studi ... e-versions

I moved to Studio One Pro relatively recently (prior to that I used Reaper) and it's working happily with all my 3rd party plugins and virtual instruments.
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby innerchord » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:41 am

I would also recommend a look at Studio One.

As regards pricing, here in Canada Cubase Artist is $500.
PreSonus Studio One Artist is $140, and the VST add-on $110.

So that's $250 cheaper than the equivalent Cubase version! It's excellent software, and can be installed on 5 computers, and no USB keys!

Oh, and Studio One Pro is only $50 more than Steinberg Artist! (Canadian prices again).
Sales for 30-50% off also come up at times (as I believe they have done for Cubase).
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby The Elf » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:38 am

GTR_RO wrote:My other computer probably doesn't satisfy the basic requirements for Cubase.
You misunderstand me - I mean only to install the eLicenser software on another PC and get your dongle activated. Then you can plug the dongle into your music PC and maybe bypass the problem.
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby Guest » Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:22 pm

I think it's time I got realistic here and give up on Cubase and move on. I'm not young and I can see the finish line and just want to make music before I break that ribbon.

And a special thanks to you, Elf, as you are so incredibly helpful in bringing things into focus for me.
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby blinddrew » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:19 pm

I'd just suggest that this isn't really an either/or choice. There's nothing stopping you downloading something like CakeWalk (free) or Reaper (free trial with very reasonable pricing afterwards and no practical limit on the trial length) so that you can continue to make music in the meantime whilst Steinberg sort out their problems.
Although DAWs have their own individual foibles and idiosyncrasies a huge amount of what you learn on one will translate to another.
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby The Red Bladder » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:02 am

GTR_RO wrote:My issue cannot be resolved until Steinberg rewrites the e-licenser program due to an issue with Microsoft. They are working on it and do not have a guestamate of when that fix will be ready.
That's code for "Not enough people have this problem for it to be worth our time and money to fix it."

Thee is nothing wrong with CuBase and there is nothing wrong with the people working there. There is however something very wrong with the parent company (IMO - I've dealt with them many times.) Yamaha are very, very arrogant and high-handed.
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby adrian_k » Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:55 pm

blinddrew wrote:I'd just suggest that this isn't really an either/or choice. There's nothing stopping you downloading something like CakeWalk (free) or Reaper (free trial with very reasonable pricing afterwards .....)
Just to underline this - I get your statement along the lines of ‘not that young any more and just want to make music’, me too. If it’s any help, Cakewalk, Reaper and Studio One are all very capable DAWs and not too hard to get into. Cakewalk has no licensing issues at all since it’s free. I use it and find it very stable on my ‘ok’ W10 laptop. I know people using Studio One and Reaper very happily.

The important thing is get going on the music, don’t let the technical side of all this get in the way. If necessary ditch the PC and get a multitracker. You can always engage an engineer or studio later to help you get your stuff to production quality.
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby Guest » Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:25 pm

Isn't it often the case that the corporation itself, not the workers, who are the cause of problems? I really like the look and feel (I actually had it running for a few days) of Cubase and still think it is what I really want. I am not good with technical things and the tech warned me that even if the problems is resolved with the e-licenser, that it could be an issue again in the future.

As for waiting for Steinberg to resolve the issue...I am in a very high risk category for the covid 19 virus. Donald Trump is president. The USA is leading the world in infections (and deaths.) Do I really have time for Steinberg to find a solution?

I have used Mixcraft. It's decent but it just doesn't 'feel' right to me. I don't mean to ditz anybody who likes it. It works fine. I tried Reaper and think it goes too far in giving the user control. As I said I am not a technical person and even in setting it up I had to Google a few things that pop up that didn't in set up with Mixcraft, Cubase, Ableton Live. If that works for you, no problem. I'm looking for what makes me feel comfortable.

I'm really looking at Presonus now. They just released a new version yesterday. That has nothing to do with my interest in their software as I was checking them out before the announcement. I have one issue to resolve and if that works out I am going to give it a try.

I'm firm on this so there's no point in recommending other DAWs. I want to make music before the virus comes and takes me away!
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby CS70 » Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:01 pm

GTR_RO wrote: As I said I am not a technical person

Nothing to say about that, but I think there's a misunderstanding here.

Recording and mixing music by yourself is in great part a technical endeavor. The creative/artistic part is inventing and playing the music, but the production part requires technical skills. There's a number of independent devices and mechanisms that need to work together, do not necessarily do so by themselves, and need to be understood well enough to manipulate them so to reach the final result.

The moment you decide to record by yourself, outside a studio with a crew, you need to know you will need to become, to a degree, a "technical person". This is simply unavoidable.

On the other hand, nowadays is not as difficult as it was.
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby Guest » Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:28 pm

CS70. That's not what I'm talking about...I get along fine with software...it's tinkering with Windows, jumping into the registry, that sort of thing.
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby innerchord » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:21 pm

A quick update about PreSonus Studio One.
They have just released version 5, and the VST compatibility is now included in the Artist version, retailing at US$99. I think that's excellent news and a very good move.
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby Guest » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:30 pm

Yeah - not only did I see that...I bought it! And not only that - it won't run on my computer. Sigh. I'm starting to think this is a message from the gods. A Presonus tech spent nearly 45 minutes inside my computer and can't give me a reason why there is no sound. And yes - he did all the regular checks.

BTW - I also do not have Cubase anymore. They refunded my money.

Like I said - this must be a message...
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby innerchord » Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:11 pm

So, it loads up, but no sound?
Are you using an audio interface? If not, have you installed ASIO4ALL?
It's Windows 10, updated?
If it really won't run it sounds like you might have a corrupt Windows installation, which may be you had Steinberg issues, too.
By the way, what are 'the regular checks'? :)
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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby Urthlupe » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:57 am

Wow fella.... you are having a disaster......!!

I think we all feel for you - and many of us here have some white hairs. I took our dog Harry to the vet Monday - when he said he was ‘gently entering his senior years’ I thought he meant me......

Seem to meet people locally here almost weekly (and particularly ‘at the moment’) who simply want a device that works so that they can just use it to move ahead with what it is they actually want to do. Instead they find themselves utterly bogged down in a confusing Windows-world of half fixes, with the constant unfulfilled promise of a properly functioning system just over the horizon. And then if eventually they achieve some partial stability, everything is thrown in the air by another forced update.

I’m aware that you’ve explained there isn’t a lot of budget, but.... to cut to the chase.... is there any possibility for you that you could dump this machine and purchase another from a specialist supplier, already setup for audio with your software of choice pre-installed?

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Re: Steinberg and Windows

Postby CS70 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:49 am

Urthlupe wrote:Seem to meet people locally here almost weekly (and particularly ‘at the moment’) who simply want a device that works so that they can just use it to move ahead with what it is they actually want to do.

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