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Never buying Toshiba HDD again.

Postby uselessoldman » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:29 am

Few years back I bought a couple of Toshiba X300 5Tb drives. They were the cheapest so yes that should tell you something but you would still expect them to last if your not going to beat them to death. Anyways, first one died inside 12 months so I got my money back and now the second one has followed, this was used for archiving only so hardly used if ever. Both were in fact my Kontakt Library master/archive so not used much and certainly not thrashed like other drives. Moral of the story, you get what you pay for? Pay a little extra and get a better warranty?

Yes well, I have replaced them with 8Tb Seagate Skyhawks with 3 yrs warranty !! These are AV surveillance "specialist" HDDs they are designed to work 24x7 all day every day. fingers crossed and I hope there better than the Seagate drives Sky used in their Digiboxes, they were also absolute garbage. I had previously bought a couple of the 6Tb Skyhawks and they haver been great drives storing my music/audio library.

Not so long back I used a big HP server (stored away in the bedroom) but in those day we used 1Tb SATA or erm 320Gb SAS 2.5" drives in an array so got max 16Tb 2x8 per cage now we get that on one drive.

Since using SSD drives I have only ever lost one, I have a box full of dead SATA/SAS drives.

I understand people now use internet streaming for music, store very little if anything locally, you cannot do this with music production. Being from a server background I like my libraries at hand my files easy to access anytime anywhere. SSDs are great as are M2s but seriously not practical for large libraries, and for every library you have you need to keep a backup so everything is at least duplicated once if not more. I always like to have 3 copies, just in case. But now I'm going network Raid again with a NAS, yes its expensive but can you imagine trying to download all your Native Access content again? no thanks.

Maybe I should sort out what I actually use and delete the rest. That would be the first time ever, I still have disks with apps from the 1990s games from the 1990s oops thats like 30 years ago on IDE drives and SCSI drive tapes. I still have original disks for IBM Warp and windows 2 a museum full of rubbish dos 5.2 and pprobably a few versions before NT 3.51 yeah I know useless information from an old man.
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Re: Never buying Toshiba HDD again.

Postby CS70 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:33 am

It's statistics so there are no guarantees for individual cases, but Backblaze maintains very reputable data on disk failure rates.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaz ... -for-2020/

No, you don't necessarily get what you pay for since what you pay for depends on stuff not affecting quality, such as manufacturing volume, amortized production costs, non-production costs etc which are all discretionary by a company. And it's not always necessarily more expensive to produce a well performing and reliable design than otherwise, for hard drives like anything else. A bad design realized with optimal components will be more expensive and perform less well than a good design with average ones.

If you look at the lifetime AFR table, you find that historically certain models of Seagate drives have the highest AFR. Toshibas (again historically and for certain models) do pretty well.
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Re: Never buying Toshiba HDD again.

Postby uselessoldman » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:17 am

My background was server admin/support/conf/install before I ventured into project management so I have years of experience dealing with banks/arrays of drives, hundreds of them. Yes you can get a good/bad batch and model, and manufacturers only find out from users when things cock up. The Tosh drives were the same, I bought them new when they came out before users started to find out they were trash, but I could only return them when they eventually and inevitably failed.

Yes there is a significant difference in use between boot & storage and whether disks are used for file print or databases. Similarly there should be a difference between SATA SAS SCSI etc not just speed but durability, I would say that is subjective and from my own experience potentially a myth.

Like I said my server had 2x8 disk arrays which was fun, less wasted disk space cos with 3 disks (Raid 5) you loose 33.3% and a hot spare you loose another whole disk. When your running at 16Tb storage that gets expensive which is my situation and I have 2 duplicate machines. One is main other is test/backup. HGST are what used to be Hitachi, they were good drives once upon a time.
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Re: Never buying Toshiba HDD again.

Postby OneWorld » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:56 pm

uselessoldman wrote:My background was server admin/support/conf/install before I ventured into project management so I have years of experience dealing with banks/arrays of drives, hundreds of them. Yes you can get a good/bad batch and model, and manufacturers only find out from users when things cock up. The Tosh drives were the same, I bought them new when they came out before users started to find out they were trash, but I could only return them when they eventually and inevitably failed.

Yes there is a significant difference in use between boot & storage and whether disks are used for file print or databases. Similarly there should be a difference between SATA SAS SCSI etc not just speed but durability, I would say that is subjective and from my own experience potentially a myth.

Like I said my server had 2x8 disk arrays which was fun, less wasted disk space cos with 3 disks (Raid 5) you loose 33.3% and a hot spare you loose another whole disk. When your running at 16Tb storage that gets expensive which is my situation and I have 2 duplicate machines. One is main other is test/backup. HGST are what used to be Hitachi, they were good drives once upon a time.

I bought a Toshiba 4K TV. It was fantastic, then about a week after the guarantee period expired, so did the tele. A load of Tosh
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Re: Never buying Toshiba HDD again.

Postby soundproofed bob » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:11 pm

Your choice uselessoldman. By the way, Toshiba are not That bad. But they are not deluxe of course. Old Seagates used to be much more buggy.
I know lots of things about HDD drives. I know exactly which ones are reliable and which ones will fail. Proficient. You can call me an expert on HDDS!
Since you bought high capacity HDD that is not surprising. the only high capacity HDDs that won't fail quickly are HGST which are now discontinued and some other minority. My Toshiba drive , 2TB, failed as well. So I'm with you here. But my Toshiba P 1Tb still operational. Because of its low capacity.
Seagates used to be of low quiality. Looks like they improved, but they really made tons of drives that fail right after guarantee. That's...an awesome strategy. Toshiba does that too, I won't lie.
Anyway, HGST technology found its way to some drives partly, but mostly in WD drives. So new WD drives are super reliable. But make sure they are new, because old tech WDs may fail too. Its because they don't have HGST parts in them.
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Re: Never buying Toshiba HDD again.

Postby uselessoldman » Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:12 pm

HGST or as we know them as, Hitachi, always made good reliable if boring products including HDDs. I know I was being critical of Toshiba but having looked on the net it appears they knew this was a bad drive, build quality was poor and reliability shocking. As for old drives still working, lets not go there I have 20Gb 80Gb drives 120Gb 320 Gb IDE drives, I have boxes of working old drives, cos you never know who will need one for some silly system they own. I also have a box of duds. Now I use crystaldiskimage and any drive with errors, no matter what, get pulled.

SO now I have a 5tb drive with Kontakt libraries that needs the SATA connector soldering, oh what fun.
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