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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby OneWorld » Fri May 07, 2021 10:59 pm

RichardT wrote:Yes, stock plugins are great these days. I do use Fabfilter plugins as my workhorses, partly because of the wonderful graphics, but otherwise I use stock plugins for most things. The multiband compressor in Cubase is now very good - a few years ago I would have bought a third party plugin, but there’s no need now.

I am actually coming that that sort of conclusion anyway, but am seduced by the claims that are made and think that I'll stump up the money and buy the thing, whatever it might be. But I make side by side comparisons and say to myself, with a bit of tweaking about, the difference between the two is hardly noticeable, and ask myself, why bother buying any more stuff. But I like to try innovative products and to some extent admire the independents that are developing new products. But it is not the product itself but the convoluted process of getting the software installed.

I have to admit, the synths that come with Cubase are quite convincing and along with Halion Sonic, which I tend to use more than the full version of Halion, there is a good set of instruments which when put through various effects sound quite impressive.

I am currently trying to get one software manufacturer to give me a new activation after the mail account I used was closed, the company I used for free webmail stopped the service and closed the accounts. The email address was my login id and I am trapped in the situation where to assign a new email address I have to get into the existing email so a new activation can be assigned but the address doesn't exist anymore. A notification email was sent out that the email service was going to be closed but at the time I was out the country and went off-grid, even if I was not off-grid, the list of passwords was back at home
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby RichardT » Fri May 07, 2021 11:09 pm

. I am currently trying to get one software manufacturer to give me a new activation after the mail account I used was closed, the company I used for free webmail stopped the service and closed the accounts. The email address was my login id and I am trapped in the situation where to assign a new email address I have to get into the existing email so a new activation can be assigned but the address doesn't exist anymore. A notification email was sent out that the email service was going to be closed but at the time I was out the country and went off-grid, even if I was not off-grid, the list of passwords was back at home

Yes, this seems to be how life is in the 21st Century! Many of our problems are solved by technology, but many of our problems are caused by technology.
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby Eddy Deegan » Fri May 07, 2021 11:38 pm

Call me shallow but I rather like nice interfaces on my plugins; I find it helps the muse and, oddly, the better they look the less I tend to mess about with them!
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby OneWorld » Sat May 08, 2021 1:32 am

Eddy Deegan wrote:Call me shallow but I rather like nice interfaces on my plugins; I find it helps the muse and, oddly, the better they look the less I tend to mess about with them!

Personally I'd rather get to grips with a Polybrute than look at a pic of one, but yes, in truth, some do look very convincing. My beef is why do you have to download, run an installer, create a new account, download the software, activate it etc it's like pulling teeth, it takes less time to unbox a new synth and plug it in.

One other consideration, I have hardware that has actually increased in value! But this is not a software v hardware issue, I like a lot of the software I have, but it is the ever increasing complexity involved in getting it installed
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby zenguitar » Sat May 08, 2021 1:52 am

OneWorld wrote:it takes less time to unbox a new synth and plug it in

Evidently your unboxing is falling short of expectations. You need to focus on your green credentials much more. Carefully peeling the packing tape from the cardboard is the essential first step. You really don't want to contaminate your cardboard recycling with plastic film.

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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby Eddy Deegan » Sat May 08, 2021 1:58 am

OneWorld wrote:Personally I'd rather get to grips with a Polybrute than look at a pic of one

Me too; that's why I got one! The plugin looks nice too though, and it's a really rather slick way of controlling the hardware direct from a DAW ;)
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby ManFromGlass » Sat May 08, 2021 3:05 am

The Elf wrote:Of course there are plugs I won't be able to replace. But they will be in the minority. The days of being slave to shelf-fulls of those third-party plugs are, I believe, well and truly over.
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I have come at that from the opposite direction. I can’t be a slave as so much of the new software won’t run on my current computer/OS. I was going to buy something really cool based on the SOS review and, nope, won’t run. My gear doesn’t meet the minimum spec.
Last week I tried to buy Izotope RX version 6 (version 8 won’t work ) as 6 will run on my system. They won’t sell it to me, it’s no longer available.
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby Arpangel » Sat May 08, 2021 8:04 am

My Moog is there, it will always be there, it doesn’t need updating, I don’t have to have an account to use it, it won’t stop working because of outdated drivers, I don’t need a computer to use it.
I do not like computers, but I have to have one, it’s my tape recorder, but do we really have to have them? I could change today, and not use one, record on my four track and master to CD, the stock plugs I use in Reaper I could replace with pedals, and racks, it would change my way of working, and my music might sound a bit different, but to me, that’s not the end of the world, it’s not that important, in fact, a change may be a good thing.
But we have a choice, computers aren’t obligatory, and I’m not preaching about working OTB, we all have a choice, it’s up to us, and that’s the important bit, nothing is a given.
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby The Elf » Sat May 08, 2021 8:24 am

As I always find myself saying on these occasions - a balance of the two is where the really good stuff lies.

Just because I love Skegness doesn't mean I won't visit Cairo.

Good things happen when you allow yourself to see the good in everything.
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby Wonks » Sat May 08, 2021 8:29 am

The Elf wrote:Just because I love Skegness doesn't mean I won't visit Cairo.
Though Cairo is less bracing.
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby Arpangel » Sat May 08, 2021 8:46 am

The Elf wrote:As I always find myself saying on these occasions - a balance of the two is where the really good stuff lies.

Just because I love Skegness doesn't mean I won't visit Cairo.

Good things happen when you allow yourself to see the good in everything.

It’s what suits us, I've no desire to visit Skegness or Cairo, or anywhere really, geographically, or musically, I'm a great believer in staying put, once I’ve found a comfortable corner.
Buy me a first class return to New York on a luxury liner, I may change my mind, only if I can sit in a Jazz club for two weeks.

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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby RichardT » Sat May 08, 2021 8:56 am

Arpangel wrote:My Moog is there, it will always be there, it doesn’t need updating, I don’t have to have an account to use it, it won’t stop working because of outdated drivers, I don’t need a computer to use it.
I do not like computers, but I have to have one, it’s my tape recorder, but do we really have to have them? I could change today, and not use one, record on my four track and master to CD, the stock plugs I use in Reaper I could replace with pedals, and racks, it would change my way of working, and my music might sound a bit different, but to me, that’s not the end of the world, it’s not that important, in fact, a change may be a good thing.
But we have a choice, computers aren’t obligatory, and I’m not preaching about working OTB, we all have a choice, it’s up to us, and that’s the important bit, nothing is a given.

Exactly - we have a choice! Upsides and downsides everywhere - but that’s how life is. Navigating this can be a joyful experience if we accept that this is how it really is. Plus living now we are incredibly lucky compared to musicians only 20 years ago.
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby Arpangel » Sat May 08, 2021 9:18 am

RichardT wrote:Plus living now we are incredibly lucky compared to musicians only 20 years ago.

:D

Back then, maybe lack of choice was a good thing!
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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby The Elf » Sat May 08, 2021 9:54 am

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Re: Yet another reason to stay out the box

Postby Mike Stranks » Sat May 08, 2021 10:14 am

I bought RX from Plugin Boutique at the suggestion/recommendation of an esteemed, knowledgeable and grounded member of this forum community. I've returned to them when I've wanted to buy other iZotope things.

Apart from the iZotope set - which, like James, I almost always use in standalone mode - I think I've only every bought two plugins. I don't use either of them now, because in one case RX does a much better job and in the other my software has subsequently been upgraded - at no cost to me - and now incorporates the facilities that a plugin offers, but more flexibly, 'powerfully' and with far less user-hassle.

My experience of music production is somewhat limited, but I do wonder if the plugin market exists in large part on the back of, 'If only...'. If only I had a different microphone/preamplifier/set of monitors/plugin my music productions would be much better.

And now for BOF-mode... :lol: When I was doing music production - BC: before computers - it was generally stated/recognised that you only had access to two FXs: a compressor and a reverb. Basically you worked with what you'd captured at source. Our learning and training was all about capturing the sound you wanted - because once it was on tape there was very little you could do with it. I think it would be no bad thing if us 'aspirerers' had a ponder about that rather than thinking the solution is always to throw yet more money/kit/software into the mix.
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