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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Lala » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:54 pm

OK, so I know forum etiquette generally frowns upon commenting on old threads but since I'm the OP of the thread I hope you'll forgive me ;)

I've come back to this thread today to go over some of those links people had posted up and I notice that there were many more replies after I'd stopped checking back, so many thanks - btw that video of Molly Tuttle is insane, I cannot for the life of me understand how she can pick so cleanly and accurately with her hand so far away from the strings and the pick gripped in that way, what a player.

I'd also like to thank Honch for that long detailed reply :thumbup: a lot of that resonates with me and again, that video of Steve Morse playing 'The Bash' is insane - so often people think all the technical picking wizardry is with the rock shredders but some of those country style licks are just as hard, if not harder.

Oh and incidentally, if I hold the pick like Steve Morse, there's as much give/movement as there is with my conventional grip...maybe I'm just doing it wrong ;)

Thanks again guys, take care :thumbup:

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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:16 pm

Interesting to read this thread again. I play Gypsy Jazz and an also into Bluegrass and Country (big fan of the Helecasters, Albert Lee and so on). Regarding pick grips I refer you back to my post on page 1. The 'Bluegrass Grip' pic has disappeared but here it is again :-

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I'm still trying to hold the pic this way, It does sound better but I can't play fast that way so I keep on trying but revert to my 'fingertip grip' when playing fast.
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby CS70 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:26 pm

Antyhing involving Albert Lee and a guitar is amazing. Just sayin’.
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:50 pm

Have you listened to the Helecasters? Not dissimilar and equally as amazing, Particularly John Jorgenson, he's sort of Albert Lee crossed with Steve Vai.....
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Nathan-VST-Plugins » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:34 am

Hellecasters? Nice finding, thanks for mentioning. :thumbup:
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby CS70 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:47 am

I've been practicing my picado a lot this year, and I (re)discovered an important factor.. in order to play something you have to be able to think of it! It sounds obvious, but playing "together" with Paco I find that the hardest thing of fast passages is not the physical, but simply to be able to keep up with each individual note or nuance. With "think" I mean both the notes but also the physical feel of your fingers and hand moving - pretty much like you can imagine and "feel" yourself, say, walking - while in reality you are still. The small pressures against the strings, the differences between the force in each stroke, the string jumps, how the high E requires more force than the other strings etc. Another way to do it is to see if you can sing or whistle it.. if you can't - at the speed you want to play - you won't be able to play it no matter the pick or fingers position.

I remember well it was the same for picking: once I could think of a phrase, actually playing it became very easy. Exploring in that direction, I started listening to the music I wanted to play much more, to sort of "get it" mentally.. once I could capture (and sing or whistle) all the nuances, playing it became a matter of a couple days of practice. New musical idea then become an extension of what you know - once you can think notes at a certain speed, you can think new notes at that speed..

Once I started writing my own things rather than copying music I liked, I stopped doing the mental thing consciously, and pretty much forgot about it. But when a couple years ago I decided I wanted to play picado runs (fast, faster, very fast!), something I'd never done much before, I struggled for a long while, until I re-found that idea and started listening to what Paco is doing. If I cant hear it, sure bet I can't play it.

So just a different angle here: take a piece you love, and know it inside out in your head, it may help your technique immensely.
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby CS70 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:49 am

Sam Spoons wrote:Have you listened to the Helecasters? Not dissimilar and equally as amazing, Particularly John Jorgenson, he's sort of Albert Lee crossed with Steve Vai.....

Nice stuff!
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:23 am

This guy is possibly the cleanest acoustic picker I know... :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99R7VW9QqyY
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Studio Support Gnome » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:10 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:Have you listened to the Helecasters? Not dissimilar and equally as amazing, Particularly John Jorgenson, he's sort of Albert Lee crossed with Steve Vai.....
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:23 pm

Indeed it is, very sad.

I never got to see the Helecasters but John Jorgenson is a good pal of Andy MacKenzie, who, in turn, is a good mate of mine so I have met JJ a few times. I saw his electric band in Buxton a few years ago and his Bluegrass band more recently.

They were/are all awesome players but JJ seems to be able to do it all himself if required. He is also a brilliant Gypsy Jazz guitarist and, as you say, an extremely nice guy.
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