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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:23 am

Great minds Wonky :)
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Wonks » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:23 am

Indeed.
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby blinddrew » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:46 am

I'd also suggest trying to find a friendly group to play/practice with. About 6 months after getting my bass I started heading down to an open jam night at pub (one with a really relaxed vibe) and it did wonders for my playing.
I'm still terrible mind...
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Dr R » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:43 pm

Thank you all for lots of encouragement!
And I apologise for temporarily hijacking the thread.
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Wonks » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:50 pm

Don't worry, and keep playing.
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby CS70 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:44 am

Johnsy wrote:The context is rock/metal, but this guy's analysis is one of the more interesting.

The 'Cracking the Code' series linked here will ring a lot of bells for some:

https://www.youtube.com/user/troygrady

That's a great video! Like all videos, it takes forever to get to the point, but the point is just right and the idea of the string plane camera makes it crystal clear.
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:45 am

It does, I can't remember the last time I watched a technique video right through......

'Pickslanting' only works if your tone is being generated by fx. Try that on an acoustic and you'd sound cr@p. But the good acoustic guys play as fast to faster and keep the pic almost parallel to the strings thus achieving good tone too. This is a big part of why SRV sounded so good.
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Johnsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:42 pm

Sam Spoons wrote: Try that on an acoustic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSKrWV0YSDQ
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Johnsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:45 pm

Electric again, but another interesting variation on the theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLiSyhmJaik
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Johnsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:17 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MVXbCzAV7Q

And this is where it all starts, in case you missed it in my first post (it's further down the page linked to there):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKiO3VhdNmY&list=PLQXEjMNYjt2xBu99q1O9SVN4Eq0mDv50C

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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:36 pm

Johnsy wrote:
Sam Spoons wrote: Try that on an acoustic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSKrWV0YSDQ

Beautiful, and totally confirms my point, his pick is absolutely parallel to the strings throughout.......
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:38 pm

Johnsy wrote:Electric again, but another interesting variation on the theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLiSyhmJaik

irrelevant with all that distortion....

edit :- right, my misunderstanding of the term 'pick slanting' (if only they'd continued using the proper term, 'rest stroke picking'.....) .....

In Gypsy Jazz circles it would be referred to as 'rest stroke' picking with the pick angle is always picking towards the top on down strokes and away from it on up strokes. This is essential to achieve max tone/volume from archtop and Selmer style guitars. The example in that first 'cracking the code' vid shows the pick at a very extreme angle to the string looked at from in front. I watched a little more of the video and he does go into 'rest stroke' picking. But, he still has this bad habit of not holding the string parallel to the string (which on an acoustic or clean electric would destroy the tone). I do get his point a little more now but still remain unimpressed by the video....... Sorry.......
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Johnsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:57 pm

He looks at the mechanics of picking in all sorts of contexts.

Perhaps this might interest you more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxjoEZoQXJU

Watching the 'Cracking the code' videos is the best place to start in understanding the guy's approach.

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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:01 pm

Sorry, they don't get me thinking or even remotely fired up. I can't get past his angling the pic at 45º to the string, mushy sound and poor technique which is masked by loads of distortion....... Watch the guy on the acoustic in your second vid, he has it nailed......

But each to his own. There ain't no right and wrong, just what works for you :thumbup:
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Johnsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:05 pm

Hi Sam,

We seem to have posted across each other - see above.
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:14 pm

Bookmarked, I will watch that later. thanks
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Johnsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:21 pm

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Re: Alternate picking

Postby CS70 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:45 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:It does, I can't remember the last time I watched a technique video right through......

'Pickslanting' only works if your tone is being generated by fx. Try that on an acoustic and you'd sound cr@p. But the good acoustic guys play as fast to faster and keep the pic almost parallel to the strings thus achieving good tone too. This is a big part of why SRV sounded so good.

It's not my experience at all.. Actually to make sense that technique needs to be practiced with acoustic or very clean guitar, and the thicker the strings the better - because they force you to use it at slow speed as well. It's not gonna sound good at first because you may need to change your anchor point to get a good attack. I like to also twist the pick a little in the other plane to get a harder or softer attack depending on the phrase.

That said, I've never been a huge fan of fast acoustic (or clean electric) runs as a sound, most sound thin and sound too much of fret hitting the strings. SRV unplugged is a case in point ;-) Obviously his musicality, phrasing, energy and inventiveness made the mere sound quite unimportant.

One of the few people who can really play an acoustic fast and sound good is Al Di Meola, and I think he angles the pick..
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:01 pm

Yeah CS, I think you are replying to my misunderstanding of the term 'pick slanting'.....

Al DeMeola is indeed amazing, as is this guy, and you can't possibly describe his tone as 'thin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99R7VW9QqyY

No apologies for posting this link again BTW :D
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Re: Alternate picking

Postby blinddrew » Sat May 19, 2018 7:31 pm

Here's a great alternative right hand technique: https://youtu.be/knqUymwInCo
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