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Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby DC-Choppah » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:17 pm

There is a song I would like to add to the repertoire that goes up to the high A on the E string which is the 29th fret, for the big finish of the song.

So I'd like to get a guitar that goes to 29! Does anyone know which models went to 29? The used guitars places have piles of guitars but I'd like to know what to look for before I get in there.
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Jumpeyspyder » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:34 pm

maybe:- WASHBURN STEPHEN'S EXTENDED CUTAWAY SERIES

WASHBURN EC29
or if you have very very skinny fingers : washburn ec36

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Maybe a sign of bad taste, but I still love the crackle paint effect :blush:
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby zenguitar » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:50 pm

Uli Jon Roth had his Sky guitars which had 30 frets or more.

HOWEVER, the natural range of a standard 6 string guitar is 3 octaves. E to e is 2 octaves and a standard 12th fret neck join makes the 3rd octave.

Mathematically, it is perfectly possible to goto as many frets as you like, some of Uli's guitars got to 3 octave fretboards (although the highest frets were full tones rather than semi-tones and the fretboards were scalloped to allow him to reach the intervening semi-tones).

With all stringed instruments you face the issue of inharmonicity. Essentially, it means that the harmonics of the note are increasingly sharp relative to the fundamental as you go up the neck. And the problem is with how the mind processes those differences. there comes a point where the harmonics are so sharp that the brain perceives the fundamental as sharp.

If you really want to get to such a high note on a guitar I would suggest a different approach...

Instead of a 29 fret guitar look at a 7 or 8 string guitar with the extra one or two strings tuned higher than standard tuning instead of lower. Say, a set of 11's with a 9 and a 7/8 for the two extra strings.

Anything else and you are fighting a losing battle against the laws of physics and material technology.

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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby DC-Choppah » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:33 am

zenguitar wrote:Instead of a 29 fret guitar look at a 7 or 8 string guitar with the extra one or two strings tuned higher than standard tuning instead of lower. Say, a set of 11's with a 9 and a 7/8 for the two extra strings.

Anything else and you are fighting a losing battle against the laws of physics and material technology.

Andy :beamup:

Hmmm, hadn't thought of that. The 7 string guitars I have seen have an extra lower string, not higher. I know I have seen plenty of 7 string guitars on the used rack. Do I need to find a special one to go higher or will any of them work?

Let's see, to get to high A, if I add a higher string above the E string, that would be an A string. So to get to high A, I need 24 frets.

So I am looking for a 7 string guitar with 24 frets, that can be strung with the an extra high string. I wonder what to look for in guitar land.
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby DC-Choppah » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:36 am

Jumpeyspyder wrote:maybe:- WASHBURN STEPHEN'S EXTENDED CUTAWAY SERIES

WASHBURN EC29
or if you have very very skinny fingers : washburn ec36

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Maybe a sign of bad taste, but I still love the crackle paint effect :blush:


I am definitely going to try to find one of these to play. That looks like freedom, to be able to go up that high on the neck. I just wonder if I can fit my fingers up there. Zen's idea of the 7 string seems to solve the too-small-fret problem. I need to try both ways.
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby DC-Choppah » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:49 am

THIS is why you need a high A. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqdL36VKbMQ
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Random Guitarist » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:59 am

Wouldn't one of those whammy octave pedal things be easier?
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby DC-Choppah » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:20 am

Random Guitarist wrote:Wouldn't one of those whammy octave pedal things be easier?

Good idea. I have an octave pedal (not the whammy kind though) and tried it. But my octave pedal sounds different than the guitar itself so the run has a different feel when the octave kicks in. It is going to sound much better I think to have a real guitar that goes up there. That is where the drama comes from.
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Hewesy » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:26 am

Which octave pedal are you using? Having something with a treadle control (like the Whammy, or a Boss PS/EHX with exp pedal) to "fade" the octave jump in will reduce the perceived jump in pitch.

I think I'd agree, a pitch shift pedal is going to be easier to cart around than an extra guitar, especially if you aren't using the 7 string for other songs in the set list.

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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Wonks » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:38 am

And you'll have to get used to chords using that extra top string. It's easier to not play the bottom string on a 7-string than not playing the top one.
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Hewesy » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:14 am

Yes that is a very good point Wonks, not hitting that string would be very weird.

Cool thing for studio use but in the heat of the stage that would be quite taxing. Or it would for me :D

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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Sam Spoons » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:41 pm

I have a yearning for a 7 string, would tune it in 4ths so all chords are the same across the neck (i.e. low to high BEADGCF) No good for barre chords mind you.....
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Humble Bee » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:43 pm

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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Music Wolf » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:21 pm

I thought that everything beyond the 12th was purely decorative. I'm pretty sure that, on my Casino, there are no fret markers. It just says 'here be dragons'.
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Dynamic Mike » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:31 am

Music Wolf wrote:I thought that everything beyond the 12th was purely decorative. I'm pretty sure that, on my Casino, there are no fret markers. It just says 'here be dragons'.

I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to actually play anything above the 12th fret. However, these frets are essential for posturing on video whilst miming to any pre-recorded solo. 29 frets only gets you 5 extra notes, but more importantly gives a guitarist 15 degrees additional neck elevation when posing and pulling a 'turning Japanese' face.

I actually still have a Washburn G-15V Signature Series (with a measly 24 frets) which in fairness is probably as well made as any guitar I've ever played.
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Hewesy » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:00 am

Mmmm Hockey Stick Headstock...

I still kick myself regularly for not buying an end of line EVH when they were on fire sale. Yellow/Black stripes, had plans to swap the pickup for something suitable from BKP.

Completely not my type of guitar but it would scratch the itch of a gymnastics guitar so well...

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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Music Wolf » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:11 pm

It reminds me of my Washburn KC-70V from the early 90s which was my first serious guitar (I'd been a bass player until that point and I was moving up from a Squire Strat). The Washburn looked absolutely gorgeous, red with black hardware. I struggled with the FR type trem but the main reason it went was because I got my Patrick Eggle (which by coincidence also has a few decorative frets down at the dusty end). Back then I didn't realise that the secret to being a great guitarist was all about how many guitars you owned, foolishly I thought that it had something to do with practice.

Anyway, I still look through the listings from time to time to see if one will come up.

Of course the real reason that I don't need those extra frets - all my live stuff is with a covers band and the lead guitarists that I'm covering were all playing 21 fret Fenders or Gibsons etc
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby ManFromGlass » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:53 pm

Humble Bee wrote:Sometimes I want poodle hair and spandex pants! Help me! :shh:

I'd be happy with a girlfriend who can pull that off! :lol:
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby DC-Choppah » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:01 am

Hewesy wrote:Which octave pedal are you using?

I have a TC electronics Sub-N-Up. You can dial it in so it is just the up octave and no direct. I think I will prefer the sound of a real high note on the guitar to what this puts out though. Gonna try and find one of the Washburns and a 7-string with a higher string to compare.
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Re: Which guitars have 29 frets?

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:04 am

ManFromGlass wrote:
Humble Bee wrote:Sometimes I want poodle hair and spandex pants! Help me! :shh:

I'd be happy with a girlfriend who can pull that off! :lol:

Too much information :oops:
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