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Postby Palehorse13 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:20 pm

I have a bugera 6260 on a Marhall Origin cab. I want a rythem tone like The Gazette has in the song the Filth in the Beauty. How can I get this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ZRy71vivk
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Re: Metal Tone

Postby uselessoldman » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:24 am

for a start I would personally suggest you might want to consider changing the speakers, seventy80s are simply awful. You will probably never get a decent sound out of them no matter what amp settings/pedals/effects u use. Yes I know some people love them, deaf people, or those who have other hearing disability issues !!

problem with seventy80s is their tone, its a muffled mess and the bass/low end dominates to the extent the mid/highs can get completely lost. They make any good amp sound bad as much as a decent set of speakers can make an average amp sound "better".

I bought a 4x12 cab with seventy80s inside only cos it was dirt cheap and invested in a pair of Vintage 30s and G12T-75s (UK versions) the sound is so much better no matter whether u play rock heavy metal etc there just beautiful. Even modern Chineese versions of the V30s and G12Ts are better than what u have now.

Celestion should do away with them, they are no good for guitars, synths drums vocals I know I tried and eventually they went to the best place possible, the SKIP
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Re: Metal Tone

Postby Murray B » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:10 pm

At 2m 17 seconds on the track you've got the best guide as to what the basic guitar tones are. The way that they are layered, doubled and how the bass guitar is effected and mixed is all part of the sound and something that you might struggle to create single handedly. Although an octave pedal might fill out the bottom end a bit.

If you haven't got a noise gate it might be worth trying to find one and I guess the guitars are detuned a bit too. Unfortunately this isn't my genre of music so I haven't got any quick solutions other than to say that it's easy to overdo the amount of distortion you use to get a heavy sound and if you do you'll lose a lot of definition and punch.

That being said the guitars are just heavily overdriven and very well controlled - that's probably 95% of getting it right - hence the advice of a noise gate. Working out the tuning if it's non standard will also help you get the same kind of vibe.

What have you tried so far and how are you getting on? Is the question about playing live or recording?
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Re: Metal Tone

Postby 4TrackMadman » Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:30 am

You realize that what you're hearing on there is put thru bunch of mix and mastering production, so it's not the guys playing their amps in the room.

It doesn't sound like anything special in terms of tone, lots of gain, scooped mids, detuned guitars. Might need an overdrive in front of that amp. Kinda like Metallica tone but more gain. Should be able to get with current gear.
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Re: Metal Tone

Postby Wonks » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:18 am

It doesn't sound that driven a sound to me. A lot of the guitar sound is heard in the context of the song, mixed in with bass and very percussive drums, so it's hard to pick out just what the guitars are doing.

As has already been said, a noise gate and studio processing is giving you most of that sound. No reverb. The amps used in the video are unlikely to be the ones used in the studio. Looking at a live video of the band will give you a better idea of their sound before a lot of studio processing. It sounds a lot closer to a typical guitar through an amp sound, though is probably all just through a Line 6 (or similar) floorboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht2hy-e74OI

They seem to be using noise gates, but in the studio you'd probably use a software gate synced to the beat to get the very clipped and precise bursts of guitar noise.

What pedals (and their arrangement) are you using at the moment? You may want to try two noise gates, one before and one after any distortion pedal. The one before to get the note length short, the one after to kill the hiss from the distortion pedal so the silences are really silent. And probably you'll need to turn at least the first gate off at least before you play any solos.

The very low damping factor with a valve amp doesn't help to get a tight low end either, A lot of metal bands will use solid state power amps to drive the cabs as they will control the low end better and make it sound tighter. Not always, but it has been done.
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