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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby The Elf » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:27 pm

That is a stunning performance! :clap:
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby tea for two » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:34 pm

Arpangel wrote:
tea for two wrote:
I find the too many notes in various Bach as well as several other classical composers
Alongside no room for inner space no time for a moment of stillness
Somewhat missing in let's say a certain inward awareness in their compositions.

Yes, true, about too many notes, sometimes, but he has "moments of heavenly greatness" that make all those notes irrelevant, like this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eklI9yFRnlQ

Not one note too many there, just enough to make this one of my favourite pieces of music of all time.
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This would make me teary in a church.

It is also in someway how I've played on a church organ .
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby Wonks » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:45 pm

Does anybody bother to read the YouTube descriptions? Presumably less easy to see on a phone or a tablet, but always worth searching for if you want to see if there is more about what's going on. The description tells you the guitar is a 19th Century J.A Stauffer copy by Jan Tuláček, hence the mixture of old and new looks.

https://www.tulacek.cz/
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:57 pm

ef37a wrote:Even to my failed lugs it seemed 'over bright' and 'clangy'? Not much of the bottom end of the guitar?

Given the style and size of the guitar I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a big bottom end to it, and the room is probably on the bright and reverberant side judging by the pictures.

But IMHO it's daft to criticise the recording quality without first hand knowledge of the source. It might not be to your personal taste, but there's nothing technically wrong with it. I quite enjoyed it... And I thought the dynamics of her playing were sublime.

Can someone identify the microphones please and explain the idea behind their positioning?

No idea. Impossible to see. Almost certainly omnis given their orientation. This is an increasingly common way of recording soloists of all kinds. It grew out of a technique developed for capturing soloists in orchestral settings that doesn't narrowing the stereo image. In a setting like this it gives a nice sense of space and some scale of the instrument.

The one aspect of it all that I do feel fair to criticise, though, is the appalling dressing of the mic cables. What were they thinking??!! :madas: :shocked: :problem:
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby shufflebeat » Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:05 pm

Wonks wrote:Does anybody bother to read the YouTube descriptions? Presumably less easy to see on a phone or a tablet,

I tend to go looking if I want to know more.

Random Bream for instrument with character.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9OIZDLUxnK0

I'm not suggesting a direct comparison, that would be unfair and artistically pointless, just suggesting there's a bit of "style over substance" going on.
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby blinddrew » Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:11 pm

They're actually pretty hard to find on my phone, so i get lazy...
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:02 pm

blinddrew wrote:Doesn't sound overly bright to me given the environment and the instrument. It's small bodied but also the headstock looks like it might be of a considerable age. Vintage string instruments don't tend to have the bottom end we expect today.

My thoughts too, though I'd say it's a modern replica of a vintage guitar and reading the notes confirms, she says "I am playing on a 19th Century J.A Stauffer copy by Jan Tuláček"

TBH it doesn't do much for me though very little classical music does.

I was aware of her BTW and she is a pretty amazing player.

edit :- note to self, read the whole thread before commenting, Wonky actually read the notes before posting :blush:
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby merlyn » Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:21 pm

tea for two wrote:Bach was clearly influenced by music he could get access to listen to.

Yes. Famously he walked forty miles to hear Buxtehude who was considered the best organist around at the time. And a lot of his themes are influenced by Italian music (i.e. Italian music had good melodies). Take the Brandenburg Concertos. They start off with a melodic theme then go into Bach land with variations.

But I think Bach was hearing his own music inside his head. It's Bach who advocated for tempered tuning by writing 48 preludes and fugues in all the keys, major and minor. Known as The Well Tempered Clavier if this could be played on a keyboard and sound good the keyboard was in tempered tuning. Beethoven could play all 48 in any key.

The 'too many notes' is part of the Baroque aesthetic. Movements usually have one emotion or affect throughout. In the classical era emotions could turn on a dime.

Bach's idea of music was a constant stream of harmony. Right now this is similar to the fact that most music has a drumbeat going through it with the emphasis on 2 and 4. Music made now keeps the rhythm going; Bach kept the harmony going.
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby Martin Walker » Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:54 pm

Eddy Deegan wrote:Today I came across this superb rendition of a Bach Fugue, originally written for violin, played by Stephanie Jones on an acoustic guitar.

I've seen a lot of fancy shredding, powerful rock performances, stunning solos and so forth over the years but I don't think I've ever been as impressed with the artistry of a guitar performance as I was watching this.

Stephanie Jones isn't a name I'd seen before, but I'm sure some of you must have.

Stunning performance!

I came across Stephanie Jones back in June 2020, when I posted this link on my Facebook page:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UwA8zvDcho

Oh, and knowing how 'correct' you like to be Eddy, I've just manually corrected the spelling of every post title in this two-page thread from 'Bache' to 'Bach' - hope you don't mind ;)


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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby MOF » Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:19 pm

I wondered what the device around her left leg is, it seems to be connected to a deep black guitar shaped box behind the guitar itself, I wondered if this replaced the solitary foot stool that I saw as standard practice when my brother was being taught the classical guitar.
What never ceases to amaze me is how classical soloists never need sheet music.
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby Wonks » Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:27 pm

MOF wrote:I wondered what the device around her left leg is, it seems to be connected to a deep black guitar shaped box behind the guitar itself, I wondered if this replaced the solitary foot stool that I saw as standard practice when my brother was being taught the classical guitar.
What never ceases to amaze me is how classical soloists never need sheet music.


Looks to be one of these, (especially as Stephanie Jones is in their product photo) a 'guitar lift' (but in black, not clear).

https://guitarlift.de/?language=en

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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby MOF » Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:31 pm

Thank you Wonks.
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby CS70 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:50 pm

Arpangel wrote:J S Bach was a working man, for the church, organist, choir master. I don’t think he ever composed for kings and queens, I’m certain in fact.
Beethoven, Mozart, now that’s a different story.

Er... who do you think the Musical Offering is offered to? :D

Most classic composers were incredible virtuosos... playing fast and precise was their thing. The shredders of the day. Probably their compositions are more restrained than their improvisations. Bach apparently could improvise 3- or 4-part canons and fugues on the spot, without missing a beat. The 5- and 6- part he had to sit down and think a little bit.

As you say, it was about surviving and sticking out of the crowd. Almost every man and woman of means could play an instrument, often at a pretty good level, so mediocre and average didn't really do, wouldn't have impressed anybody.
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby CS70 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:53 pm

merlyn wrote:Bach's idea of music was a constant stream of harmony. Right now this is similar to the fact that most music has a drumbeat going through it with the emphasis on 2 and 4. Music made now keeps the rhythm going; Bach kept the harmony going.

A beautiful analogy, thank you. I'd never thought of it that way, but it fits perfectly.
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Re: Stephanie Jones playing a Bach Fugue on an acoustic guitar

Postby CS70 » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:55 pm

Eddy Deegan wrote:Today I came across this superb rendition of a Bach Fugue, originally written for violin, played by Stephanie Jones on an acoustic guitar.

This was nice, and I love the guitar..
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