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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby SecretSam » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:10 pm

Ramirez wrote:I’m not a 5-string player, but I see their advantage being more about having more notes under your hand in one position, rather than the extended range itself per se.

Yup, that's it. Also because you end up playing it around the 5th fret most of the time, which is more comfy on long gigs. And the bottom E flat is handy if you have horn players in your band.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:27 pm

You could just drop the whole bass a semitone if you regularly play with horns?

For the music I play though the low D is the most useful extra note, if I ever convert the P-bass back to four strings I'll definitely invest in a Hipshot Drop D tuner.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby merlyn » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:36 pm

I thought five string basses came about so bass players could play basslines that were originally played on a synth.

I was in a band that did Ain't Nobody by Chaka Khan which is in Eb minor and has a distinctive synth bassline. Our bass player dropped his E string to Eb.

The upright bass (the wardrobe as opposed to the chopping board that is the electric bass :)) is tuned the same as an electric bass and upright bass players have no problem with horn players or the key of Eb.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby S2 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:52 pm

Personally I'd go for a four string, echoing much of the comments above. I've played all three of those basses you mention (I should say that I own a Sire) and I'd rank them in terms of playability: 1. Sire (by a country mile), 2. Yamaha, 3, Ibanez. The preamps on the Sire are particularly good but the feel of it is also superb.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:40 pm

merlyn wrote:The upright bass (the wardrobe as opposed to the chopping board that is the electric bass :)) is tuned the same as an electric bass and upright bass players have no problem with horn players or the key of Eb.

Historically the electric bass is tuned the same as the electric bass :blush:

You do get upright basses with fingerboard extensions on the low E but they are more prevalent in the classical world. WRT jazz upright players I doubt they tune down . Either way Eb is a pain of a key for guitarists.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby SecretSam » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:05 pm

You can of course live without a low e flat. It's just nice to have it.

I don't rate the wardrobe bass as anything more than a style statement. Very few people play them consistently in tune. Soloists like bass players who use them, because the relative lack of higher harmonics keeps them out of the way.

Remember that Jazz bass was originally a tuba. The electric bass was adopted pretty much as soon as it was invented.

The wardrobe bass was a better option than the tuba during the years when Bebop was being developed. But that's the best you can say of it in my never-humble opinion.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby merlyn » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:19 pm

You may have anticipated I wasn't going to agree with much of that.

I can only say ... Ron Carter. He got the sack from the Miles Davis band for refusing to play electric bass. He's still playing it. (I surely don't need to add -- in tune :))
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby blinddrew » Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:28 pm

SecretSam wrote:I don't rate the wardrobe bass as anything more than a style statement. Very few people play them consistently in tune.
Ahem!

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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby John Egan » Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:13 pm

SecretSam wrote:You can of course live without a low e flat. It's just nice to have it.

I don't rate the wardrobe bass as anything more than a style statement. Very few people play them consistently in tune. Soloists like bass players who use them, because the relative lack of higher harmonics keeps them out of the way.

Remember that Jazz bass was originally a tuba. The electric bass was adopted pretty much as soon as it was invented.

The wardrobe bass was a better option than the tuba during the years when Bebop was being developed. But that's the best you can say of it in my never-humble opinion.

Check out Oscar Peterson's bass player - Nils Erik Pederson, I think. He seems to manage the odd few notes in tune every now and again.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby uselessoldman » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:55 pm

Thanks everyone for your input and I decided to go for the Ibanez SR305EB should be arriving today or at latest tomorrow depends on the post. Having owned some good quality guitars I know all about paying for quality, things are a budget price for a reason (usually). I decided to get the budget 5 string simply because should I buy a 4 string later down the line, I would get a good one and splash the cash, but probably on a good second hand one. Now is not the time to buy its xmas and the choice is limited.

Since I am not a seasoned bass player moving from 6 strings to 5 should not be as difficult and the spacing less of a problem. I was actually in the process of buying a Bass cabinet that made me decide to buy a Bass guitar, something that is good for kick and Bass/Synth but thats a completely different topic and challenge !!
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby BigRedX » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:08 pm

uselessoldman wrote:Thanks everyone for your input and I decided to go for the Ibanez SR305EB should be arriving today or at latest tomorrow depends on the post. Having owned some good quality guitars I know all about paying for quality, things are a budget price for a reason (usually). I decided to get the budget 5 string simply because should I buy a 4 string later down the line, I would get a good one and splash the cash, but probably on a good second hand one. Now is not the time to buy its xmas and the choice is limited.

Since I am not a seasoned bass player moving from 6 strings to 5 should not be as difficult and the spacing less of a problem. I was actually in the process of buying a Bass cabinet that made me decide to buy a Bass guitar, something that is good for kick and Bass/Synth but thats a completely different topic and challenge !!

Do you actually need the notes below E? Or are you thinking about re-stringing it E-C?

IMO if you don't need the lower notes you will get a much better 4-string bass for the price you are paying for the 5-string.

Alternatively if you want a more guitar-like experience have you considered a Bass VI? A short-scale 6-string bass, tuned an octave down from a guitar and with string spacing closer to that of a guitar.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby uselessoldman » Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:32 pm

The way I look at it is I am buying a budget Bass guitar so why not get the 5 string. I want the lower string to compliment the synths and yes I could use keyboards/midi/vsts, that is what I have done for years more recently with those brilliant Ample Sound samples but I wanted a real Bass guitar and was struggling for suggestions for my xmas present from my other half.

She got a nice new watch I got me self a nice new guitar (another guitar). I have one of those guitar racks that takes 7, I now have 5 or will have very soon. The rest are covered in various cables. Enough space left for another couple of guitars

Once this pandemic madness is over I will then look for a good quality second hand 4 string.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby BJG145 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:09 pm

I'm sure you'll enjoy that. I've always played a basic Washburn 5-string...and I love hitting those low notes.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:17 am

I'm a ropey bass player, but I use a Washburn T25 Taurus 5 string. Its not a Stingray, but it suits me and I love the sound of its bottom string and the ability to match what Id normally play on the organ bass pedals.
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Re: Which 5 String Bass Guitar on a budget

Postby forumuser920556 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 9:07 am

uselessoldman wrote:Thanks everyone for your input and I decided to go for the Ibanez SR305EB should be arriving today or at latest tomorrow depends on the post. Having owned some good quality guitars I know all about paying for quality, things are a budget price for a reason (usually). I decided to get the budget 5 string simply because should I buy a 4 string later down the line, I would get a good one and splash the cash, but probably on a good second hand one. Now is not the time to buy its xmas and the choice is limited.

Since I am not a seasoned bass player moving from 6 strings to 5 should not be as difficult and the spacing less of a problem. I was actually in the process of buying a Bass cabinet that made me decide to buy a Bass guitar, something that is good for kick and Bass/Synth but thats a completely different topic and challenge !!

If by any chance you don't like that, try an Ibanez ATK. Preferably an old one (heavy, but great), but the new ones are cool, too. And not as heavy. These things play well above their price point.
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