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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Funkyflash5 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:00 pm

I prefer Mogami w2319 with right angle pancake plugs for packing pedals in tight, although I had to use Switchcraft 380 on the ends going to my switcher, as the jacks are too tightly packed for pancake plugs.
I like the smell of hot solder, so I've never been tempted by the solderless ones.
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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Wonks » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:37 pm

I used to use George L's for patch cables, but don't any more. When I changed pedalboards a few years ago now I had to make up some new patch cables, so got some more George L's bits and made them up. Then I measured the resistance of each one and whilst the ground was normally very low I was getting between 10-100 ohms on the signal path. Which is a lot on a 5" cable! I cut and reassembled the ends several times, and the results varied each time; 15 ohms, then 80 ohms and then 30 ohms. Ended up throwing them in the bin and buying some pancake-headed jack plugs and decent cable, soldering them up and the ground and signal path resistance of each one measured the minimum my multimeter would read.

I know that even 80 ohms isn't going to attenuate a very low voltage, low current guitar level signal by much at all, but it still seems wrong to me, when you can use cables with almost no resistance. And I can only see the resistance going up overtime with corrosion and wear.

So I really don't have anything good to say about George'Ls apart from they are relatively quick to assemble.

I've made up some of the D'Addario solderless patch leads and they are good (robust and low resistance), but expensive. The jacks are relatively bulky, so not as good as some when connecting pedals with input and output jack sockets in near-identical positions. But if you need solderless and are making leads to specific lengths, they are pretty good.

Some of the patch cable kits available seem very similar to the George L's in the way they assemble, so I'd definitely recommend making one up and measuring the cable resistances before you make them all up and commit yourself to using them.

For simple pre-assembled pedal to pedal patch leads, I'm impressed by the EBS flat patch leads (as The Legit posted), as they have a very low profile indeed, so you might be able to squeeze one more small pedal on a pedalboard if you use them. I'd imagine these are available with other brand names on them. Again, very low signal path resistance, but not a lot of help if you need to make up a 215mm long lead.
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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby zenguitar » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:15 pm

Cheers Wonks :thumbup:

SInce starting this topic I've bought some pancake connectors ready for making up cables.

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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Wonks » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:48 pm

That's good to hear. :clap:

Now, get off your arse and make them up! I'll give you until the end of Friday. Otherwise you'll be off to see the headmaster.
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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby zenguitar » Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:53 pm

I am still in an acquisitions phase, making new purchases in a desperate attempt to avoid actually doing anything.

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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Wonks » Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:57 pm

I feel a visit to the head is approaching....
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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby zenguitar » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:12 pm

Wonks wrote:I feel a visit to the head is approaching....
That sounds like a Navy reference to me...

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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Wonks » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:22 pm

Badoom tish...
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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby ManFromGlass » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:44 pm

Hey! Who fired off a depth charge? We’re trying to sleep over here.
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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Wonks » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:26 pm

It's taken you a week to hear it? That puts you well over 200,000km away!
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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Hewesy » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:21 pm

I've been using the Planet Waves solderless kits for a few years.

Really solid cables, easy to make up and if you're careful you can always swap jack orientation if needed when swapping pedals.

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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Wonks » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:48 pm

Hewesy wrote:I've been using the Planet Waves solderless kits for a few years.

All sold as D'Addario kits these days. The Planet Waves brand name seems to have been dropped from products - apart from a small custom installation section. D'Addario took over Planet Waves way back in 1998. All the cables that were once branded Planet Waves are now labelled D'Addario. They obviously want to grow the D'Addario brand name.

(Didn't know this until I just looked it all up).
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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:25 pm

They also seem to own NS Design capos...
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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Hewesy » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:01 pm

Thanks Wonks, oddly I think I have one of each (first was PW then D'Addario). I hadn't spotted that until I checked my Amazon history.

Same packaging even.

Either way I really like them, though I am tempted to go with the flat cables next time.

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Re: Pedalboard patch cables...

Postby Wonks » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:27 pm

Yes, they work well, but they aren't cheap if you have a large number of pedals on your board. I'd have needed 3 kits for my current board, which would currently be 3 x £70 =£210!

Pancake jacks and some decent cable cost me around 1/3 of that.
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