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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby Wonks » Tue May 18, 2021 4:02 pm

Hair and dust are going to find their way in on any pedal with a pot, a treadle and a notched gear arm to operate the pot. It's a fundamental law of nature.

Otherwise you are balancing the facilities of the Moog's minimum output setting and tip/ring input selection switch with the Yamaha's fixed connection configuration (without doing any rewiring) and the adjustable pedal angle . Both have 50k pots.

The Yamaha has a fixed 5' cable, whilst the Moog has a TRS socket and comes with a 6' TRS/TRS cable. Both fine for under keyboard use, but the Moog is more flexible if you want it further away from your device by simply using a longer TRS/TRS lead.
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby BWC » Tue May 18, 2021 5:17 pm

With this interface, I don't think the controls of the Moog will be needed, though I can't be 100% sure of that at this point.

I've never been fond of fixed cables, mainly because of the extra effort required if they need replacing, but an extension could always be added if more length is needed. In this case, as little as 4' would be plenty.

Neither pedal is terribly expensive, I might just have to order them both.

...unless anyone has any other options worth considering...
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby merlyn » Tue May 18, 2021 5:22 pm

There's a company Lehle that has developed a magnetic system :

https://lehle.com/EN/Lehle-Dual-Expression

I don't own one but I was looking at volume pedals and saw the Lehles. It seems like a good concept -- nothing to wear out.
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby Wonks » Tue May 18, 2021 5:37 pm

Very interesting. Thanks for finding that, Merlyn.

Expensive though, £179 in Andertons.
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue May 18, 2021 5:47 pm

The Yamaha pedal has been sat on the floor in my studio for years and, despite the tumble-weeds of dog hair and dust that occasionally manifest, I've yet to have any problems with it at all.

The Lehle pedal is an interesting design, and obviously very versatile. But very expensive, and while the sensor won't wear out, you do have yet another power supply to remember and rig up. And I reckon I could change quite a few pots in the Yamaha pedal for the extra cost of the Lehle!
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby Wonks » Tue May 18, 2021 5:59 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:The Yamaha pedal has been sat on the floor in my studio for years and, despite the tumble-weeds of dog hair and dust that occasionally manifest, I've yet to have any problems with it at all.!

One day you'll actually get round to plugging it in. :D
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue May 18, 2021 6:00 pm

:bouncy: One day I'll get the mojo back to start playing seriously again!
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby merlyn » Tue May 18, 2021 6:15 pm

It's a digression into volume pedals but --

I was looking at an Ernie Ball MVP which is also expensive for what it is. Built like a tank, though and they have the best actions. They use a string and rollers and ... well it felt right when I tried it (Pre-Covid). It also has gain boost, so yes that would need power, but for me it's just another connector on the daisy chain. So given I was already in that ballpark the Lehle didn't seem that expensive.

Scratchy pots. You just know it's going to go in the middle of a gig, or without sufficient time to change it before the gig.

Perhaps not quite so important for an expression pedal.
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby BWC » Tue May 18, 2021 6:55 pm

The Lehle does seem cool, but is a bit more than I'd like to spend on this right now, and for my current setup, I'm not loving the additional power supply.

As for poorly timed failures, for the price of the Lehle, you could get several of the Moog or Yamaha pedals for backup.
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby merlyn » Tue May 18, 2021 8:16 pm

Yes, the Lehle may be overkill for an expression pedal in a studio setting.
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby zenguitar » Tue May 18, 2021 8:16 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote::bouncy: One day I'll get the mojo back to start playing seriously again!
Same here, but I'd settle for playing humorously again.

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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby The Elf » Tue May 18, 2021 8:49 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:I like the Yamaha FC7. The pedal angle range can be configured for sitting or standing positions, and there is an adjustable spring-return 0-10 degree 'overpress' action if required for emphasis 'stabs' which can be handy. It has a 50k pot and the wiring obviously suits Yamaha keyboards, but I've not had any problems with any of the things I've plugged it into so far.
I've had to swap FC7 conections around for various bits of gear, but they are well made and I have a few of them. The only better expression pedal I have is the Hammond EXP-50, which is smooth as silk, stays planted and feels 'right' in a way I can't explain. But it comes at a price... :headbang:

Mission pedals are superb and solid, but too short a travel for my linking.

For anyone on a budget the little plastic M-Audio jobbies are great for the money. I always have a couple of these in my gig bag - if they break they're a tenner and bit of shrapnel to replace. Switch-able and trimmable - can't go wrong with those.
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby Martin Walker » Tue May 18, 2021 10:20 pm

Folderol wrote:Just to clarify, the one I was referring to had the LDR in the signal path. There weren't any voltage controlled amplifiers in those days. The organ was populated entirely with discrete transistors - mostly germanium ones.

Ah, those were the days when you could convert a germanium transistor into a light-dependent device just be scraping the black paint off its casing 8-)

OC71 to OCP71 anyone?

(and if that doesn't date me, nothing will ;) )


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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby Wonks » Tue May 18, 2021 10:26 pm

Martin Walker wrote:(and if that doesn't date me, nothing will ;) )

Well there's either carbon dating, or cutting off a leg and counting the growth rings. :)
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Re: Expression Pedal Recommendations?

Postby BWC » Wed May 19, 2021 12:13 am

That Hammond pedal looks nice! ...but I don't think I can justify that price right now, one to keep on the wish list for the future though, perhaps.
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