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What Synth is This?

Postby Androo » Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:10 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl3PYk_s4Kk


Id like to recreate that synth sound absolutely love it
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby The Elf » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:29 am

Lots of synth sounds in there, but if you mean the bass it sounds like a MiniMoog to me.

A simple patch to recreate: Layer a couple of sawtooth waveforms, lift one an octave up and put an envelope-swept filter over the result.
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby Androo » Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:19 pm

No i meant the lead synth
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby Michael Dow » Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:36 pm

the lead synth that comes in every chorus? Sounds like a few sound slayered up to me. One of them sounds kinda brassy. With a synth or two over the top. Maybe
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby hollowsun » Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:09 pm

It's a massive sound layered up using a combo of MIDI and overdubs.

Back then they used a Jupiter 6, MKS80 Super Jupiter, PPG Wave 2.2 and DX7 and I think they roped in a MiniMoog as well.

Great band, great song, great singer...

Still going strong
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby The Pearl Works » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:17 pm

Smells of PPG to me!
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby chris... » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:37 pm

hollowsun wrote:Still going strong
But, at least in that clip, they've not quite managed to recreate that mega layered sound live...
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby The Elf » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:10 pm

Yeah, it's a few synths layered up. Good luck trying to decypher the combination! Definitely Jupiter-esque sounds in there, but not complicated - predominantly sawtooth lead sounds. The rest is in the performance and use of modulation and pitch bend.
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby chris... » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:29 pm

The Elf wrote:The rest is in the performance and use of modulation and pitch bend.
Definitely!
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby desmond » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:47 pm

hollowsun wrote:Back then they used a Jupiter 6, MKS80 Super Jupiter, PPG Wave 2.2 and DX7 and I think they roped in a MiniMoog as well.

It's funny, because I had a feeling it was going to be that exact band, song and part, before I even clicked the link.

It was a big one for me back when I was small and the closest I could get to those synths was watching Top of the Pops and playing "spot the synth by the endcheeks". Loved that song.

Much of the Go West synth stuff is really great sounding and arranged - that particular part is really difficult to play authentically. Hollow Sun is right, it's most likely a big stack consisting of (at least) a JP, and a DX7, and possibly a PPG too, thickly detuned and stacked and played with lots of wiggling.

Really good band, too. Tight as nuts.
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby desmond » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:51 pm

Chris Edwards wrote:But, at least in that clip, they've not quite managed to recreate that mega layered sound live...

Yeah. It should be doable, get the original synths or something similar, stack up tons of stuff in the studio, multisample the combination and Bob's instantly elevated to close relative status.

Horrible cheesy brassy parping in that clip. Still great band, though, and inventive arrangements and parts. Time to dig out Bangs & Crashes again, methinks...
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby Folderol » Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:06 pm

I wouldn't have though it'd be very hard to get close to the sound, but you'll never get exactly the same - doubt they could either.

At the risk of getting booted out of the room, I'm not particularly impressed with those sounds. Any decent modern soft-synth could do just as well.
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby chris... » Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:49 pm

desmond wrote: great band, though, and inventive arrangements and parts. Time to dig out Bangs & Crashes again, methinks...

Be sure to check the 4-on-the-floor electronic kick in the intro of the extended WCOE - some years before "house" etc.

http://open.spotify.com/track/2YQPkrusst8TyAsFAijjpx

I sooo wish I coulda done live drums for them...
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby The Elf » Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:17 am

Folderol wrote:At the risk of getting booted out of the room, I'm not particularly impressed with those sounds. Any decent modern soft-synth could do just as well.
In isolation you could easily get pretty close, but I know from experience once they are in a mix the real old analogues have a presence that's actually quite hard to fake.
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby starman9 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:22 am

As others have said, there's a load of stuff stacked together there, not all on the same octave either. I can hear some 'real' sax and trumpet samples amongst that lot, though which ones specifically I don't know! Much of the overall effect is in the way it's played...

I'd probably start by stacking a tenor sax sample, a trumpet section sample and a brassy Roland poly synth sound + some 80s reverb!
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby Jumpeyspyder » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:58 pm

Sounds like layered DX7 + something roland to me.

A quick look through You tube found them miming on TOTP with an Emulator 2 (you can clearly see 1:14)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esfWzBduz00
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby Jabba1 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:44 pm

hollowsun wrote:It's a massive sound layered up using a combo of MIDI and overdubs.

Back then they used a Jupiter 6, MKS80 Super Jupiter, PPG Wave 2.2 and DX7 and I think they roped in a MiniMoog as well.

Great band, great song, great singer...

Still going strong

I remember an interview with the engineer/producer on that album (Gary Langan?) in a really old edition of International Musician back in '85... I'm sure I recall him mentioning them using 2 or 3 SH101's gated together for the bass/melody pattern, plus at least one JX8P as well. I've certainly seen a mate of mine play it in a shop on a JX8P.

The floaty 6 note melody in the 2nd chorus is almost certainly a PPG, the only other thing it could be is an Emulator or a Fairlight. The brassier parts do sound like a DX7 and the other wibbles, more "screechy" brass/string parts are likely to be Jupiters.

On the album of extended versions, there certainly appears to be the presence of something like an Emulator - theres a sequence of 3 orchestra crashes one after the other in the intro.

I'll see if I can dig that old article out. Still a great album, some cracking musicians on it, including Pino Palladino and the late Alan Murphy. An old cherished favourite.
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby desmond » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:15 pm

+1 on Alan Murphy.

Would be nice for SOS to do a Classic Tracks on "We Close Our Eyes"... :)
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Re: What Synth is This?

Postby Jabba1 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:18 pm

desmond wrote:+1 on Alan Murphy.

Would be nice for SOS to do a Classic Tracks on "We Close Our Eyes"... :)

Good call Desmond, I'd like to see that too. :bouncy:
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