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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby Zukan » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:26 am

reid wrote:So, given that folks who like hardware are all gathered in one place, what's the vote on 'best_bit_of_hardware_for_noises_you'll_struggle_to_get_out_of_a_'puta' - say a second hand budget of up to a grand and a half?

Obviously that knocks some wonderful stuff out of the frame (farewell CS80, I would have liked to get to know you well) - but there must be some real gems at that price and under. Suggestions?


I can think of many:

Macbeth
Oakley modular
Jup 6
Oscar
Wasp
Obxa
Sem2
SH5
System 100
Arp 2600 (plus an organ or two)
Elka Synthex
CS 60
Matrix 12
Odyssey
SH101
Zukan MC Euphonics fund (add to your self worth)

and so on and on......
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby N WILLIAMS » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:55 am

I was wondering whether the answer to it all is for manufacturers to re-release their legendary gear in software format - some have. Korg did it, for example, with their M1 workstation and the software also included all the data from the expansion boards available at the time for the M1. This makes everything more affordable and you get a lot more for your money. Not only that, cheaper products encourage more people to get in to recording their own music. You only have to see the amount of artists releasing their own stuff on the net these days to work that one out.
Legendary synths are still very much in demand with the sounds of it. But, the manufacturers make no money from the second hand market. The future obviously seems to be total DAW based so why not re-release some of the old with the new.
Thats what I think, does anybody agree or disagree?
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby The Pearl Works » Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:18 pm

My K1r is going on fleabay this week.

I just replaced it with a TR-Rack for £165!

So based on that I reckon the K1r could fetch as much as a tuppence!
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby The Elf » Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:57 pm

The Pearl Works wrote:My K1r is going on fleabay this week.

:crazy:
I don't want it.
I don't need it.
I don't want it.
I don't need it. :roll:
...
And breeeeeaaaaathe! ;)
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby Dave B » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:00 pm

Whilst I agree with the general sentiment, I would advise ditching the JV2080 for an XV of some kind. My 1080 begat an XV5050 which sounds a _lot_ better all round. And it has USB and an editor, which is nice.

In the 'hardware for a reasonable cost that everyone should own' category, a Kurzweil K2 series synth should be on _everyone's_ shopping list. They are the sort of synths that don't strike you as particularly impressive up front until you realise that it just sounds so good in the mix. It doesn't overbear, or need loads of eq to fix, or have silly amounts of FX to clog up the track. Then you look at the voice architecture ..... and you start going all misty-eyed ....

I've had a couple of these puppies over the years (I had a habit at one point but it's under control now) and if you can find a K2600 or it's rack version - or a K2500 with the KDFX installed - for a reasonable amount, snap it up. You won't be disappointed.
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby DePulse » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:27 pm

I've recently traded my XV5050 for a XV5080 and a few expansions: vintage keys, keyboards of the 60/70s, SRX World. Now I just need to get some RAM and a smartmedia card or two.

BTW I do miss some of the sample disks for my S50 (synths, strings. Has anyone with a S770/750/760 converted the S50/550/330 disks to S700 or 5080 format? Or are they all available in S7xx format already?

Back on topic, I still haven't found a VSTi that sounds as good and is as quick to use as a hardware ROMpler.
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby tomafd » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:43 pm

N WILLIAMS wrote: I am beginning to think that everyone should keep at least one hardware synth, and for me, this is definitely one that I will be keeping hold of. Have any of you had any similar surprises lately?

Due to laziness and a thought to 'just how long will those chips last?' I've been more prone to use Arturia's Prophet 5/VS software, rather than my real VS which sleeps quietly in its flight case, most of the time. For basic pad work, the software's fine, in fact a tad cleaner than the original, but recently I got the old dear out of its case, since it has waveform mixing functions that the software doesn't have (a major omission, Arturia...)

It blew me away, of course. Fatness, harmonic overtones, and all kinds of interesting madness which are 'sort of' there in the software version but just don't move the air like the real thing does. One of these days those chips will die, but even so, I think I'll be turning it on a bit more in the future.
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby The Elf » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:15 pm

Dave B wrote: In the 'hardware for a reasonable cost that everyone should own' category, a Kurzweil K2 series synth should be on _everyone's_ shopping list.
+1 Totally agree.

I had no idea their price had dropped so low, but from what I saw of last year’s K2k prices it’s almost ludicrous to pass one by.

I replaced my cherished old K2000 with a K2600 keyboard in 2009 and it was like falling in love all over again.

The K2000 still sounds ‘right’ in a mix – even the piano, which has no right to sound so good after all these years. Why throw money at JV expansion cards when you can simply load new waveforms into a (sample RAM-loaded) K2000?
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby Chris_Allen » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:18 pm

The Pearl Works wrote:So, given that folks who like hardware are all gathered in one place, what's the vote on 'best_bit_of_hardware_for_noises_you'll_struggle_to_get_out_of_a_'puta' - say a second hand budget of up to a grand and a half?

reid wrote:Obviously that knocks some wonderful stuff out of the frame (farewell CS80, I would have liked to get to know you well) - but there must be some real gems at that price and under. Suggestions?

Alesis Andromeda A6 for me!

+1 for the Andromeda from me :)

when I'm stricken with the urge to twiddle knobs - no other synth will do!

if you have £1500 to blow on a fun synth - get this - it'll expand your mind :beamup:
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby starman9 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:33 am

I love my JV2080 too but i must say my older JV880 sounds better (though far less versatile)!
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby Frank Eleveld » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:29 pm

I'm pretty much a hardware man. Just don't like twiddling with stuff on a computer screen because I find it counter-productive.

I'm still using a JV1080. It's my bread-and-butter sound module suitable for a wide range of stuff. It does a capable job of providing a wide range of sounds which are not particularly outstanding, but which are at least very decent.

For piano and strings I prefer Kurzweil, and I usually use samples for drums but other than that the old 1080 still does surprisingly well.

Cheers,
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby Fibes » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:27 pm

reid wrote:So, given that folks who like hardware are all gathered in one place, what's the vote on 'best_bit_of_hardware_for_noises_you'll_struggle_to_get_out_of_a_'puta' - say a second hand budget of up to a grand and a half?

Obviously that knocks some wonderful stuff out of the frame (farewell CS80, I would have liked to get to know you well) - but there must be some real gems at that price and under. Suggestions?

Yamaha PSS-390. No joke. Patch 41, FM synth enabled.
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby desmond » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:56 pm

Fibes wrote:Yamaha PSS-390. No joke. Patch 41, FM synth enabled.

Audio demo, and 24-bit multisample in Kontakt/EXS format or STFU..! :bouncy:
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby Dr_Jezz » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:23 pm

2 patches on keyboards I have loved;

Wurlitzer patch on Ensoniq Mirage (just so aggressive)- loads of great old stabs and other cheesiness too. Fond hexadecimal memories.

This next one for me has never been bettered for simple, single manual Toccata madness - Full pipes on my Korg T2 ex, which I still use as a controller after all these years. Honestly - it is massive and quite amazing and I have nothing better after all this time.

My 1080 is looking straight at me in a cheerless way and I can feel the unused Emu 5000 (and it's beat munger wierdness) calling to me from my left (honestly - I couldn't sell that thing for tuppence and it has sooooo many sounds). Mind you plenty of other keyboards sitting round this room silent and unloved currently.... too many to list. Makes me feel kind of guilty and my only excuse is latency for use with logic. I really need to wire my mixing desk back up with all of them and just use them regardless.... :frown:
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby funkyant » Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:22 pm

Beleive it or not, the Kawai K5000s is one of my favourite, unique hardware synths. It's got some real quirks to it.
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby BJG145 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:01 am

The Elf wrote:
Dave B wrote: In the 'hardware for a reasonable cost that everyone should own' category, a Kurzweil K2 series synth should be on _everyone's_ shopping list.


+1 Totally agree.


The K2000 still sounds ‘right’ in a mix – even the piano, which has no right to sound so good after all these years

Maybe I should start using my K2000R more. I've only been using it for the orchestral flute sound, which I love. (Best flute sound ever IMHO.)

Seems pretty noisy compared to my newer kit though. Is that usual, or is it just mine? Maybe I shouldn't worry about a bit of hiss here and there. :?
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby The Elf » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:33 am

BJG145 wrote:Maybe I should start using my K2000R more. I've only been using it for the orchestral flute sound, which I love. (Best flute sound ever IMHO.)
Seems pretty noisy compared to my newer kit though. Is that usual, or is it just mine? Maybe I shouldn't worry about a bit of hiss here and there. :?
I always considered my K2000 to have a very clean signal. I’m using a K2600 now, which has hotter outputs and I suspect the KDFX is likely quieter than the K2000’s FX processor. Does FX on/off make any difference to the noise level?

These days a little hiss or buzz doesn’t bother me like it once did. You can make even the noisiest of instruments usable in your DAW.

For flute, I always loved the K1/K1r – happily I sampled it before I sold mine.
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby desmond » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:07 am

The Elf wrote:For flute, I always loved the K1/K1r – happily I sampled it before I sold mine.


What did you sample? Waveforms? Particular patches?

Anyway, multisampling *anything* I sell that can't easily be replaced in software is a standard working method for me these days - though I wish I had done this for my old CZ-101 before it went... still waiting for a software full CZ synth emulation... :frown:

Didn't sample my K1r though, as I really hated that thing :)
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby The Elf » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:43 am

desmond wrote:
The Elf wrote:For flute, I always loved the K1/K1r – happily I sampled it before I sold mine.

What did you sample? Waveforms? Particular patches?
Raw waveforms - which was practically all the K1/r played! :D
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Re: Waking The Dead - Roland JV2080

Postby desmond » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:44 pm

The Elf wrote:Raw waveforms - which was practically all the K1/r played! :D


Indeed! :)

And that was the biggest weakness of the K1 - were it used the few decent sample waveforms it had, it was decent enough (for it's budget class). However, there weren't that many of them, and the synthetically generated waveforms were pretty nasty, harsh, buzzy - and with no filter, there was really very little you could *do* with them.

So you ended up making sounds using those sample of decent samples, and leaving the crappy ones alone, and therefore it all got a bit samey.

For a bit of trivia: when I first got the K1, I got it home and wired it up, and was rather dismayed to find everything sounded like cymbals. I loaded a string patch, and it sounded like cymbals. Hmm... is this me doing something wrong? I thought? Perhaps strings *do* sound like cymbals..?!

Obviously, something had corrupted the ROM sample memory somehow and it wasn't behaving properly, so I took it back to the shop and exchanged it for one that could do cymbals... but didn't *always* do cymbals... :D
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