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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Zukan » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:30 am

Would love to hear the vacuum bass thingy Martin.

I bet tuning it was fun huh? :D
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Martin Walker » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:07 pm

Now, now, no sniping please - I sttrreettcchheedd it :D


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Stephen Bennett » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:15 pm

AuralSerenity wrote:Thanx Martinwalker. I think I'll love my presence among such knowers.

Anyhow, after starting this thread I did a little internet research and found this out -

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314644,

Its very interesting but some of them are sincerely mistaken there. For instance
'bananaboy' who said
"Jim Morrison of The Doors recorded the vocals on one of their songs (I forgot which) while a girl was, um, performing fellatio on him."

Now that is wrong. that incident occurred in elevator and Pamela (Jim's chick) happen to see all that. No recording of sound or visual was getting done.

What a preposterous myth!

Well, thanx everyone and please continue leaving some interesting dope.

I mixed my 1991 album 'Clarity', naked.

My compter drives generated so much heat that working in my non-air con studio was almost unbearable.

I'm not sure it generated any particularly innovative techniques though!

However, hanging a speaker over a three speed turntable with a cardboard tube on the platter with a few holes in it does create a nice doppler/leslie effect - with multiple speeds!

More hardware hacking http://www.digitalartistshandbook.org/hardware

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Zukan » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:36 pm

Martin always works naked.

Infact, when he's at Expo the SOS stand has the longest queue (did that come across a bit porn?).
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Martin Walker » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:37 pm

Untrue :round1: :protest: :bouncy:

The reason that the SOS stand alwyas has a long queue is that we take our time chatting to people :beamup:

Interesting link from Stephen though - thanks for that!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby xinaesthetic » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:39 pm

I stuck four contact mics close to the corners of a round metal table once and used it as a percussion instrument (EDIT: by close to the corners, I mean equidistant around - obviously circles have quite a few corners)... played back through a quad setup, it actually got pretty good spatial imaging, from hitting and scraping different parts of it. It also worked surprisingly well recording overdubs; each layer remained fairly coherent and defined.

Recently, I've discovered the joy of preparing strings with alligator clips: inspired by this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPIGkKxwgcQ and also quite effective for more percussive use (quite gamelan-esque sounds). Similar kinds of stuff to the album 'Stick Music' by the Clogs, which I adore.

Slinkys are good. Sliiiiiinky even better: http://www.firstpr.com.au/slinky/audio/

I made a synthesiser in Reaktor ages ago which used some quasi-physical modelling (lots of short delay lines with some filtering), fed by contact mics attached to the surface of my laptop (with the lid closed); so I could touch it gently with my fingertips or whack it with a pen and it would respond quite naturally with some of the dynamics of an acoustic instrument (but warping and morphing in impossible ways).

I might get hold of a couple of soundbugs one day, for routing signals through real acoustic objects. Does anyone have any experience with them? http://www.paramountzone.com/soundbug.htm

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Martin Walker » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:24 am

Nice links xinaesthetic! 8-)

Having watched the YouTube video of the prepared guitar I'll certainly be buying some alligator clips tomorrow ;)

Those soundbugs also look most interesting, especially at just £24.99

Keep those quirky sound design links coming!


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby xinaesthetic » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:01 pm

A hydrophone is another thing on my potential shopping list at the moment, to complement my underwater camera. Again, pretty cheap at £30. Since this is quite niché, I think if you want higher quality you end up looking at much much more expensive devices.

FWIW, as a graduate of 'Sonic Arts' at Middlesex, I have more experience of the unusual side of things than I do of actually recording normal music.
:beamup: sadly, I hear that course is being shut down.

I wish everyone happy listening, playing, tweaking... mostly listening. Re the comment earlier about carrying a recorder around routinely: even if you don't gather useful sounds for music, this can completely transform your perception of the environment. Note to self: do more of this.

For anyone interested in field recording of nature; it may be worth setting up equipment and leaving it to record for a while, so that any person-shy creatures are not scared away and you don't have to stay unnaturally still for prolonged periods. I've not tried this myself, I read it at http://www.franciscolopez.net/amazon.html ... guess things are a bit different in the Amazon, though.
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby geefunk » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:42 pm

Another one of my own projects was to record the sound of a completely blank 7" single. The 'sound' I got was just a gentle hiss and crackle, but enough to manipulate in a sampler to produce this...

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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Martin Walker » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:35 pm

xinaesthetic wrote:A hydrophone is another thing on my potential shopping list at the moment, to complement my underwater camera. Again, pretty cheap at £30.

Yeah - I was reading that page myself only a couple of days ago. Interesting stuff. You could make your own, but JrF prices are indeed very reasonable.


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby xinaesthetic » Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:06 pm

Martin Walker wrote:Yeah - I was reading that page myself only a couple of days ago. Interesting stuff. You could make your own, but JrF prices are indeed very reasonable.
Indeed, it had occurred to me that it would be quite feasible to knock something together... but given that JrF has clearly put time, thought and care into reaching the design he has, it seems quite prudent to go with his. I'd hate to discover a critical fault in my own DIY attempt while I was away at some remote location with a chance of getting some really interesting material... and it would make me happy to support his work too, albeit modestly.
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby robocod » Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:35 pm

I've recently started using different camera sounds in my tracks, such as different shutter speeds cut up and sequenced for rhythmic elements, the ejection of a polaroid photo from the camera, filtered and sliced up with some added delay to sound like seagulls and the sound of an 8mm video camera from the 50s whirring and rattling away. All recorded in my room with a steady hand and a SM58!

Now I own a portable recorder i plan to experiment with alot more recording random samples out and about on my travels. The ideas in this thread are brilliant though!
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Martin Walker » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:53 am

Glad you're enjoying them polyroy! 8-)

Camera sounds are great for rhythmic use, as are typewriters, washing machines, clocks...


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby robocod » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:56 am

Yeah, i'm going to see if i can run some of the samples through the doepfer system at my university to create some even more interesting sounds, put some bleeps and bloops in there! Any ideas of easy ways to do this? I was thinking of just using the outputs of the computer's soundcard straight through the modules and back into the soundcard seeing as i don't have access to a sampler!
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Richie Royale » Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:46 pm

I was in my kitchen on Sunday listening to "Everybody loves the Sunshine" by Roy Ayers (not the R.A.M.P) version and my washing machine was on spin. For a large part of the song, my washing machine was in pitch with the sustained high pitch synth that runs through the track, even causing some chorusing in parts.

Must get the mics out and get recording!
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby discomb » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:17 pm

Richie Royale wrote:I was in my kitchen on Sunday listening to "Everybody loves the Sunshine" by Roy Ayers (not the R.A.M.P) version and my washing machine was on spin. For a large part of the song, my washing machine was in pitch with the sustained high pitch synth that runs through the track, even causing some chorusing in parts.

Must get the mics out and get recording!

Thought I'd posted this before, but I used an H4 to record a full washing machine cycle. Some fantastic rhythymic sounds in there, and the spin at the end makes a great finale: 5 mins or so of crescendo! :)

I grabbed the spin cycle and put it through scuzzphut (a great free VST btw), AWESOME! you'd never know it was a washing machine, it brings a smile to my face everytime someone asks me what that trancey sound is.
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby discomb » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:18 pm

PS washing machine + auto-tune = ???
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Richie Royale » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:52 pm

discomb wrote:PS washing machine + auto-tune = Most modern pop music vocals
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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby Martin Walker » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:06 pm

discomb wrote:I grabbed the spin cycle and put it through scuzzphut (a great free VST btw), AWESOME! you'd never know it was a washing machine, it brings a smile to my face everytime someone asks me what that trancey sound is.


Hi discomb!

Fascinating stuff - sadly the scuzzphut site ( www.scuzzphut.com ) seems to be up for sale. Anybody got any idea where the freeware scuzzphut can be downloaded now?

Belay that request - just found it at www.fyxm.net/download-now-scuzzphut-Multimedia-Audio-Audio-Plugins-47740.html :D

(A few minutes later) NICE! It's like a very immediate, free and extremely cut-down version of CamelSpace. Instant trance as you say 8-)


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Re: Innovative sounds & recording methods

Postby discomb » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:30 pm

Hi discomb!

Fascinating stuff - sadly the scuzzphut site ( www.scuzzphut.com ) seems to be up for sale. Anybody got any idea where the freeware scuzzphut can be downloaded now?

Belay that request - just found it at www.fyxm.net/download-now-scuzzphut-Multimedia-Audio-Audio-Plugins-47740.html :D

(A few minutes later) NICE! It's like a very immediate, free and extremely cut-down version of CamelSpace. Instant trance as you say 8-)
Martin [/quote]

That's the 'lite' version, the 'full' version now seems to be absent from the interweb :frown:

I still have a copy, not sure if I'm allowed to share it with others now? It was a free download a year or so ago. The KVR website shows a fancy looking screenshot of scuzzphut v2.0, I have the older version.

I'll have to check out camelspace!
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