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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby vinyl_junkie » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:56 pm

Oh to your question regarding the Ti2 no I don't own one but I had a friend who had the white first ti what ever it's called, the 2 octave thing which I played on a bit..also I used to have a B ages ago.
I'm not the biggest Virus fan though, I preffer more quirky synths or vintage things which now cost too much and I can't afford lol

Instead of a Virus i'd rather have a DX-100, Bass Station Keyboard, Nord Modular mk1 and a Blofled lol

As to judging a synth by it's presets if this was the 90's again then they would all suck a lot..I think it's only recently that presets have got better. Roland SH-32 I remember quite well as being absolutely awful but what a great sounding synth if you program it.
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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby Zukan » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:10 pm

The Elf wrote:
Don't you mean draw them out on a badly photo-copied panel sheet? ;) :D

I heard about this.

I, of course, am only a youngling so have had to rely on stories passed down many generations.
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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby vinyl_junkie » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:02 pm

I used to do this with my second synth which was a Bass Station keyboard back in 2002, this thing only had 5 patches and no6 was a free knob mode where the patch represented where the front panel knobs were a'la old skool pre-pattch memory synth.
As it only had a measly 5 sortable patches I had to jot down all the others on bits of paper lol
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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby desmond » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:50 pm

When I was young, and couldn't afford the £80 or so for a synth cartridge full of 50 new sounds, one for the principle new sources for sounds was they'd print the patch charts of a new sound in a magazine.

If one month it happened to feature a synth I owned - free patch! I reckon I got, over a few years, at least 6 new patches that way! Maybe even 7...
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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby vinyl_junkie » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:02 pm

desmond wrote:When I was young, and couldn't afford the £80 or so for a synth cartridge full of 50 new sounds, one for the principle new sources for sounds was they'd print the patch charts of a new sound in a magazine.

If one month it happened to feature a synth I owned - free patch! I reckon I got, over a few years, at least 6 new patches that way! Maybe even 7...

What like this :D
I must say the one called Juno-60 sounds quite nice heheh
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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby vinyl_junkie » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:21 pm

Just checked out that my-space link and the track..if you are making that kind of music why not just get a Roland SH-09 and MPC-2000XL :bouncy:

I guess if you are not keen on the Moog tone then fair play..the mini can never seem to shift that "sound" and it's mainly what people pay for when they buy one...I mean I know people who prefer the tone of a Jap i.e. Roland synth to an American, personally I love them all and each has a place.
I have got to the point now were I won't sell any of my synths...I sold too many over the years and regret them all..even the M1...well I don't regret selling the CS-1X lol

Even the JX-3P does some leads on my stuff occasionally, if there would be a mode to make it monophonic that would be sweet but other wise it just mainly does strings and the odd bass sound...I would love the 8P
This is actually a preset on it...quite like it's thin tone, sorry for the uber cheesy intro hahah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es-Gov0AGQk
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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby Murdoch » Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:55 am

The Elf wrote:I don't know what you're expecting, but if you can't get a decent sound or two from a LP then I suspect you're looking for something it just can't do! The cheesey-ness, or lack of, is all in the programming.

I'll swap you an Alesis Micron for your LP any time at all!! :D
Already got an Alesis. I'll swap it for your Voyager though ;)
Nah I'll carry on fiddling around with it, not going to give up any time soon.

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Merdoc wrote:Good idea.. I'm looking for sounds similar to the lead in the track "Reach for the stars"

What, that thin "analog" type lead warbling around? - that's pretty horrible in there. Sounds like a one-oscillator patch with medium filter resonance and the filter being closed with the filter envelope (low sustain, medium/long decay and release).

Yes, the Phatty will do that easily and sound *much* better.
You sir, are giving me hope. Well its meant to be thin or rather sharp sounding, but I want to do better.. much better. That why I got me a Moog.

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Merdoc wrote:How can I improve my skills without going round in timbre circles?

Play, tweak, learn, google, get friends to show you, and you'll develop over time. Read SOS's Synth Secrets articles on this site from the beginning. Put those things into practice.

Becoming a good synth programmer is like becoming a good guitarist - when you start, you're pretty rubbish, but the more you play and the more effort you put in, the more and faster you progress until you develop a worthy skillset, wher you can identify and create/recreate sounds relatively easily by ear.
Sounds like something I can do, thanks ;)

vinyl_junkie wrote:Just checked out that my-space link and the track..if you are making that kind of music why not just get a Roland SH-09 and MPC-2000XL :bouncy:
That's really old stuff. I'm trying to improve way beyond what you've heard, the Phatty is one move towards that vision.

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I guess if you are not keen on the Moog tone then fair play..the mini can never seem to shift that "sound" and it's mainly what people pay for when they buy one...I mean I know people who prefer the tone of a Jap i.e. Roland synth to an American, personally I love them all and each has a place.
I have got to the point now were I won't sell any of my synths...I sold too many over the years and regret them all..even the M1...well I don't regret selling the CS-1X lol
From your experience, how does selling synths work? Like would I be able to get more than what I paid for if I sold the Phatty after it was discontinued? 'cause I don't mind selling it and investing the dosh on a Voyager (if am successful at programming half-decent sounds that is).

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Even the JX-3P does some leads on my stuff occasionally, if there would be a mode to make it monophonic that would be sweet but other wise it just mainly does strings and the odd bass sound...I would love the 8P
This is actually a preset on it...quite like it's thin tone, sorry for the uber cheesy intro hahah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es-Gov0AGQk
Good stuff! That sound in 3:20 was sweet as, real smooth, doesn't matter what genre, that'll trigger a nerve. :beamup:
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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby vinyl_junkie » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:46 am

Thanks, well the selling thing is I always sold them at a profit...So I was making money on what I sold and also at the same time trying everything to get to know what I like best.
For example I paid 120 for my TR-707..sold it for hold your breath 300 quid, got my AN-200 for £70 a friend wanted it off me cos of my sound set and paid me 200 quid, EMU Xtreme lead I got for 100 and sold it for 200, Bass Station keyboard swaped for a CS-1X which I swapped for a M1 which was worth more money than what I paid for the BS keyboard...list goes on I even managed to shift my Akai S2800 for a 30 quid profit lol and that was something because it was at the time soft samplers got really big.

I rarely will buy a new synth either because none of todays products interest me, b) it will devalue and c) rrp to high...
I got the Blofeld new but that's cos I'm one of those Waldorf freeks and wanted to support the new Waldorf plus you can't complain at it's price..analogue it ain't though.
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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby vinyl_junkie » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:54 am

I would just spend loads of time on the Moog and you will get better at programing it as you become more familiar with how each knob effects the sound, a small amount of electronics knowledge I also found comes in handy.

My first synth I had was a DX-100 some say it's difficult to program although it's 1000 times less of an arse than a DX-7 but still spend enough time with the thing and you will deliver the goods...To this day it's one of my faves..yea a crappy budget digital synth from 85 with no filters..thing is as old as me lol
I don't have a good record with them though as all two of mine are broken and no more..so I have a TX-81Z which just ain't the same :-(

Some DX-100 lead's, tones, chords and tracks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDrZfmZuebs

Love it's crap 12bit sound
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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby Murdoch » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:16 am

vinyl_junkie wrote:I would just spend loads of time on the Moog and you will get better at programing it as you become more familiar with how each knob effects the sound, a small amount of electronics knowledge I also found comes in handy.

My first synth I had was a DX-100 some say it's difficult to program although it's 1000 times less of an arse than a DX-7 but still spend enough time with the thing and you will deliver the goods...To this day it's one of my faves..yea a crappy budget digital synth from 85 with no filters..thing is as old as me lol
I don't have a good record with them though as all two of mine are broken and no more..so I have a TX-81Z which just ain't the same :-(

Some DX-100 lead's, tones, chords and tracks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDrZfmZuebs

Love it's crap 12bit sound
You've got to put out an album or two dude!

Great sounds on that DX-100. I'm sure I've heard that sound at 0:40 on my favourite Trance tracks. Even the other samples.

Aren't these the kind of samples produced by the Virus? That'll be the next synth I'm looking to purchase, think it'll be much user friendly for a new generation synth owner like myself than the Moog.
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Re: Programming interesting sounds on Little Phatty?

Postby desmond » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:13 pm

vinyl_junkie wrote:What like this :D

Ah, Music Technology...

Those were the days... *sigh*

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