Peter Conz Connelly wrote:I got it to sound very nearly as close as the record. I can't remember what reverb I used, this was in 2003 or something, but I did assign the Series III filter to LPF the breathy vox. It wasn't exact but I came to the conclusion even if Kate tried to replicate it today, she'd get close but not exact. There are probably a lot of factors that contributed to that sound, I can also hear tape hiss.
Interesting - I tried all the usual suspects for that lovely mid character (all the other string samples, Arr1 etc), and the *only* sound I could get it with is the Cello2 sound, the same one Kate said she "wrote the song around" - because the tail of the sample is what does it through a long reverb.
It's funny, because that record was one of my all time fave and important "pop" tunes, and the characteristic of the opening and closing pad is *sooo* burned into my consciousness because every time it's played it's the first thing you hear - for me it's actually *the* signature of the track - you know, the bit of audio that instantly tells you what song is coming.
And the reason I'm confident on this is the second that Cello2 sample accidentally went through the reverb, my consciousness instantly pricked up and went "I know that!". It was quite dramatic - so much so, that if you play a different combination of notes with the exact same sound, my conscious brain ain't bothered - it doesn't take the slight bit of notice. Nothing registers. Up to the C/D# though, and straight away it comes to life and goes "Hey!".
And it only does this with the Cello2 sound.
Now of course it's possible that the Arr1 was filtered down to close the filter slowly, which might help get some character into the reverb (did the IIx have a filter and filter envelope on the samples? Can't remember...) I'll have a play and see if I can get close. But I'm still 99.8% sure it's Cello2, with whatever processing/reverb/freezing applied. And very noisy/grainy. *Awesome* sound. I love frozen reverbs...
Peter Conz Connelly wrote:I'd imagine it was mostly IIx... but them drums... I aint heard them on any II libraries.
Yeah, I had a quick listen to the IIx drums, didn't sound close, but wasn't really concerned at the time with them. Maybe a bit later I'll have a listen and see what I can hear/recreate, if we're going to definitively finish this puzzle :)
And yes, I am nostalgia-cly jealous of your Series III :)
Peter Conz Connelly wrote:I really did like your exampled posted... VERY impressed with how close they sound.
Thanks - like I say, I was only doing this through small cheap speakers and the sounds don't match completely - I could get them closer with some effort and critical listening/adjusting I'm sure. For me the main riff has a slightly sharper, "synthetic" quality which might be some aggressive EQ or something.
For me though the goal was to work out what it was, and I think, for me at least, I've achieved that. I'm not sure the audio examples demonstrate it as much as when you are playing around - it just feels like it's all in the right ballpark.
Great thread - this is something that's bugged me for a long time - rather surprising that it was me that ended up working it out for myself... :)
I like these "classic" sound deconstructing threads (SOS should do proper articles on this I reckon).
Anyone wanna have a go at the main big synth riff on Go West's "We Close Our Eyes"?