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the latest Behringer-gate

Postby feline1 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:53 am

So last night Behringer put on their website that they'd basically be making clones of just about every cool synth that every existed,
and then they took it down again saying "lolz sorry, this was due to a errorz hahah"

https://twitter.com/chris_carter_/statu ... 0784088065 was not impressed.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby desmond » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:57 am

Sorry to all the conspiracy theorists out there, but it seems quite obviously like a technical mistake that published data that shouldn't have been published, to me...

It's not like this hasn't happened on websites before....
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:14 pm

Mistake, or not, it hints at something happening. Text describing cloned products doesn't write itself. It has to have crept up the chain from somewhere it was being held in waiting.

Cock-up or conspiracy?...

Whilst I have been critical of Behringer's batant plagiarism of contemporary gear, with that list the products are long out of production, with no chance of the original makers picking up the reins. For this reason I see no reason for the likes of Behringer to champion re-makes - and good luck to them if they do.

At least Behringer are giving people what they want - which is more than can be said for much bigger names in the industry...
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Wonks » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:17 pm

I'd suggest someone from Music Group having a bit of drunken 'fun' after an enjoyable Christmas party.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby desmond » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:54 pm

The Elf wrote:Whilst I have been critical of Behringer's batant plagiarism of contemporary gear, with that list the products are long out of production, with no chance of the original makers picking up the reins.

Hmm.. Roland SH101, TR808 & TR909 are all active products currently being sold/marketed by Roland in various forms (software, boutique hardware, Aira hardware)

Korg MS20 is being sold by Korg in various forms, both hardware and software, with them buying rights to ARP (eg Odyssey) and rumoured to have a 2600 coming as well...

Yes, things like the Wasp Deluxe or the Cat would likely be fine to do, of course...
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:08 pm

Fair point. I was probably a bit hasty in my assessment.

But then, I don’t count all that boutique, reduced polyphony, miniature keyboard ‘made for hobbits’ rubbish! :lol:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby feline1 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:45 pm

desmond wrote:
Yes, things like the Wasp Deluxe or the Cat would likely be fine to do, of course...

Really?
Surely *someone* owns the intellectual property for them?

I mean even the Mellotron is owned by someone these days.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Escapegoat » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:53 am

feline1 wrote:
desmond wrote:
Yes, things like the Wasp Deluxe or the Cat would likely be fine to do, of course...

Really?
Surely *someone* owns the intellectual property for them?

I mean even the Mellotron is owned by someone these days.

Behringer ... I mean, Music Group ... no hang on, this just in ... I mean MusicTribe ... is getting big enough to employ bigger, scarier lawyers. Isn't it still trying to get its paws on the "Oberheim" name? This latest stunt seems to be Uli's thing, from the self-proclaimed "Chief Disruptor".

I, for one, welcome our new SinoGerman overlords.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby feline1 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:27 pm

Does this mean Tom Oberheim will have to just call himself Tom Kenobi?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Dave B » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:08 pm

Tom will from now on be referred to as "Grandpa Tom" - your favourite, kindly old relative with a twinkle in his eye and a SEM filter based synth up his sleeve. Feel free to send him a xmas card. And, if he's anything like my grandparents, a bottle of good cooking scotch...

(Dave Smith will be re-branded "Uncle Dave" in the upcoming new years honours list. Apparently, he favours good tequila)

Out of interest, did anyone get any grabs of the product pages? Do we know what products were mooted?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Escapegoat » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:02 pm

Dave B wrote:
Out of interest, did anyone get any grabs of the product pages? Do we know what products were mooted?

VCS3, 2600, MS-20, Kitten and/or Cat, and I think I saw several '101' variants, perhaps just colours. Curiously, there was no mention of their already-shown Minimoog clone.

Plus a FX box called Maelstrom (something like the FX section of the DM12/XR16 in a box). There may have been an SP1200 or LinnDrum, but I can't recall now.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Dave B » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:21 pm

Interesting. I'm surprised nobody has done a VCS3 clone before. There were rumours that Korg wanted to do the 2600. And I think that they'd object to an MS20 clone.

ho hum.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:31 pm

LinnDrum, TR-808, TR-909. Oberheim OBX, ARP 2600...

These are amongst ones I've seen mentioned, but I didn't get to see it first hand.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby desmond » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:51 pm

feline1 wrote:
desmond wrote:
Yes, things like the Wasp Deluxe or the Cat would likely be fine to do, of course...

Really?
Surely *someone* owns the intellectual property for them?

"WASP DELUXE Trademarked by Behringer's MUSIC Group IP Ltd."

Here's the list of MUSIC Group IP Ltd. current trademarks:

OBERHEIM

OBERHEIM
Electronic musical instruments, Electronic Pianos, Music synthesizers, Audio sythesizers, Electronic organs, Keyboards for…
Owned by: MUSIC Group IP Ltd.
Serial Number: 87262808
OB-XA

OB-XA
Electronic musical instruments, Electronic Pianos, Music synthesizers, Audio sythesizers, Electronic organs, Keyboards for…
Owned by: MUSIC Group IP Ltd.
Serial Number: 87264791
Image Trademark

Image Trademark
Electronic musical instruments, Electronic Pianos, Music synthesizers, Audio sythesizers, Electronic organs, Keyboards for…
Owned by: MUSIC Group IP Ltd.
Serial Number: 87267807
OSCAR

OSCAR
Electronic musical instruments; Keyboard instruments; Music synthesizers; Organs; Electronic musical keyboards; Music synthesizers…
Owned by: MUSIC Group IP Ltd.
Serial Number: 87283508
FOUNTAIN

FOUNTAIN
Loudspeaker cabinets; Loudspeaker systems; Loudspeakers; Cabinets for loudspeakers; Horns for loudspeakers
Owned by: MUSIC Group IP Ltd.
Serial Number: 87353497
PIPELINE

PIPELINE
Guitar effects processors
Owned by: MUSIC Group IP Ltd.
Serial Number: 87489825
WASP

WASP
Electronic musical instruments; Music synthesizers; Piano keyboards; Electronic musical keyboards
Owned by: MUSIC Group IP Ltd.
Serial Number: 87709468
WASP DELUXE

WASP DELUXE
Electronic musical instruments; Electronic musical keyboards; Music synthesizers; Piano keyboards
Owned by: MUSIC Group IP Ltd.
Serial Number: 87709474
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Logarhythm » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:23 pm

Dave B wrote:Out of interest, did anyone get any grabs of the product pages? Do we know what products were mooted?
This was embedded in the article where I first saw the news a couple of days ago (one of those handy stories that Android feeds you based on your browsing habits, to help with the GAS...):

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Martin Walker » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:52 pm

This Behringer Teases ARP 2600, WASP, SYNTHI Clones page on Synthtopia is still visible, containing lots of detailed info on the various models (followed by a caveat that "Behringer has updated the Musictribe site to remove info for these products")

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2017/ ... hi-clones/


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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Dave B » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:19 pm

Ta very much. Interesting that the MS20 clone is a Eurorack module. That takes Berry into interesting waters!

Of those units, I'd be interested in the 2600 and VCS3 clones. But I'd be fascinated to see which actually would sell if they released that lot. I suspect that the SH101s would shift a darned sight more units than (presumably a much more expensive) VCS3
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:45 pm

Always wanted a 2600, but was put off by a combination of high price and ARP's shoddy build quality - especially after owning a Pro Soloist and seeing how that was put together!

Here's hoping that Behringer can solve both of these problems for me!
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Zukan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:22 am

I think it's luck of the draw Elf. I had 3 2600s and they were all solid bar the grey but I expected that.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby BigRedX » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:28 pm

desmond wrote:
The Elf wrote:Yes, things like the Wasp Deluxe or the Cat would likely be fine to do, of course...

IIRC the Kitten and Cat synths were essentially clones of various ARP models...
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