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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby feline1 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:51 am

So I see Behringer have now started poisoning all their workers with methanal! BEHRINGER! STOP IT! http://www.clb.org.hk/content/factory-w ... conditions
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Korff » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:58 am

Jeebus... That's not good at all!

Oh, just realised that article is from December 2017. I wonder if anything has changed since?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Martin Walker » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:08 pm

The Korff wrote:Jeebus... That's not good at all!

Oh, just realised that article is from December 2017. I wonder if anything has changed since?

Couldn't you check through the obituaries to see? :beamup:


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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Escapegoat » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:32 pm

Uli has just posted a response to this news resurfacing - as well as news that he is suing a website for calling Behringer "shameless" and "copycats" :lol:

It's in a closed-section on FB, but it's been reported here: https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/c ... cusations/

Make of that what you will.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby feline1 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:59 am

The Korff wrote:Jeebus... That's not good at all!

Oh, just realised that article is from December 2017. I wonder if anything has changed since?

The workers have gone on strike
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby feline1 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:00 am

Escapegoat wrote:Uli ... is suing a website for calling Behringer "shameless" and "copycats" :lol:

Seems fair - should be "shameful copycats" :headbang:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 am

feline1 wrote:
The Korff wrote:Jeebus... That's not good at all!

Oh, just realised that article is from December 2017. I wonder if anything has changed since?

The workers have gone on strike

I think they called off the strike a while ago...

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Kwaidan » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:37 pm

feline1 wrote:
Escapegoat wrote:Uli ... is suing a website for calling Behringer "shameless" and "copycats" :lol:

Seems fair - should be "shameful copycats" :headbang:

Inappropriate personal abuse deleted. Please remind yourself of the forum rules: https://www.soundonsound.com/forum-rules-etiquette

anyway this whole thing with behringer came about through press, and
behringer is suing for defamation, perhaps something you should also
think about as you are doing it through SOSpubs.

Behringer has always had a thing with the music press, as they won't
pay to play, otherwords they won't give music gear to the music press
just to get a good write-up. this is what this all about.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Dave B » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:32 pm

If you check out the original article, the letter from the lawyers does call to attention the fact that the words 'shameless' and 'copycat' were used and were at least part of the basis of the action being taken. So Uli's response has to be taken with a pinch of salt (IMHO) as it doesn't address that at all.

My 2c anyway.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Kwaidan » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:15 pm

Inappropriate personal abuse deleted. Please remind yourself of the forum rules: https://www.soundonsound.com/forum-rules-etiquette

this isn't personal abuse.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Escapegoat » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:04 pm

Kwaidan wrote:
Behringer has always had a thing with the music press, as they won't
pay to play, otherwords they won't give music gear to the music press
just to get a good write-up. this is what this all about.

Pay to play: can you - or can Uli even - provide evidence of this?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Michael Lapke » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:21 pm

Hi everyone,

For those of you who don't know me, my name is Michael Lapke and I'm a Community Specialist for MUSIC Tribe, Behringer working out of our Los Angeles location.I see that it was mentioned once above, but I wanted to take this opportunity to officially share our side of what happened for those here who are interested. Here's what Uli posted in the MyMUSICTribe Group on Facebook last week: (Group is actually open to the public to join)

Dear Tribers and Friends,

There is an article I have posted on multiple social media sites in response to accusations made against us and I thought I share it with you. Since the media has picked up on the Chinese media legal case plus the factory labor strike last year, please allow me to respond.

In the spirit of transparency, I believe it is important to address and correct some of the misconceptions associated with these topics. It is also worth mentioning that none of the media outlets involved has ever contacted our head office nor myself for comments despite the fact that each of them claimed to have done so. As you are aware, I am all always reachable through social media channels and never shy away from sensitive topics. Over the past 30 years that we have been in business, we’ve had a rather ambivalent relationship with some media houses simply because we have chosen not to advertise.

The reason is simple – we don’t believe in the common and dishonest “pay to play” scheme, where favorable reviews are granted in return for placing ads. As you can easily see, some magazines choose to retaliate and publish very biased and unfavorable articles and reviews.

However I have always believed that people are smart enough to see through this behavior.
We believe that our customers deserve unbiased, honest and independent user reviews that easily be found on many trusted retailers’ websites.

Let me be very clear – there are honest publishers whom we have incredible respect for as they have chosen integrity over commerce. These are the ones we love to support and endorse.

Since I am not yet familiar with the Chinese media case in question, I will need to first gather all facts, especially as a complex foreign language is involved. Please give me a bit more time and hence allow me to first address the factory labor strike that happened last year.

Our factory called MUSIC Tribe City has passed all environmental tests executed by a government certified lab as part of the stringent occupancy permit process. Around 3,000 air samples were taken from all areas of the factory, comprehensive results were published and also made available to all our factory people.

When we moved into our new factory this year, the environmental tests had not yet been completed and a few weeks after our move, one of our engineering colleagues was unfortunately diagnosed with leukemia.

While it is easier for the more medically educated people among us to understand that cancer won’t develop within a few weeks, panic spread among the people who believed that the person’s illness had to do with the new factory environment and people decided to strike.

During the environmental testing period, our people were allowed to stay at home while receiving full pay and after the results were published, operations immediately resumed.

Neither were formaldehyde nor other hazardous chemicals found as suggested by the media. While not mandated by law and contrary to what was published, we also covered the person’s medical bills. Most importantly we’re extremely happy that our colleague is now recovering and will hopefully soon return.

Who in today's world would not consider employee health and wellbeing to be the highest priority? Only a safe, well-treated and engaged workforce will care about your company and deliver outstanding results. We’re taking employee health, safety and environmental aspects extremely seriously and hence we have also been implementing many “green” projects such as electric buses, waste water and dust collection & recycling systems, etc.

In fact, this is the exact reason why we built our own factory so we don’t have to rely on third party contractors like our competitors. We believe in making a difference when it comes to how our workforce is treated and the way we manufacture our products.

Everyone is invited to visit us in Zhongshan and we're happy to show you around and meet our people. Our head of Operations Transformation at MUSIC Tribe City is Paul Coates, a British individual and the head of HR and People Development Transformation is Dominik Klett who originates from Germany. Both are exceptional and caring individuals who enjoy my full trust to look after our people and the factory.

My colleagues and I will be more than happy to show you around – drop by any time. And if you like to speak to any of our people here on our MUSIC Tribe Facebook page, just contact them.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MyMUSICTribe/

We are certainly not perfect and never will be, but I can tell you that we are damn proud of our people and our engagement with them.

And finally, I too live and work in MUSIC Tribe City - hence we all breathe the same air.

Thanks for listening and your great support.

Uli

To follow up on this I'm not personally at liberty to discuss any legal details here in the forum, but I'm inclined to think that if the media had done their due diligence with regard to this topic that they would have never published the article in the first place. Speaking from experience I can say that employee safety is a big priority at MUSIC Tribe, for all of our brick and mortar locations.

Hopefully this helps shed some light on the story. Please feel free to join the MUSICTribe Facebook group for more official posts regarding Behringer and any of it's sister brands.

Thanks,

Michael Lapke
Specialist, Community
MUSIC Tribe (http://www.musictri.be/)
BEHRINGER (http://www.musictri.be/brand/behringer/home)
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[URL="http://www.music-group.com/"]MUSIC Group[/URL]

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Escapegoat » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:17 am

Hi Michael

Thanks for joining in. I'll ask the same question: can you provide evidence/examples of the so-called "pay to play" system that Uli talks about in that statement?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby ef37a » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:17 am

Ok so, fine words from Uli but I would still like to know why he bottled the interview with SoS some time ago?

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby feline1 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:43 pm

The fact is that I bought 3 mixers and a rack-tuner from Behringer in the early noughties, and they were all completely crap. Now what has Uli got to say about THAT?? :headbang:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby ef37a » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:22 pm

feline1 wrote:The fact is that I bought 3 mixers and a rack-tuner from Behringer in the early noughties, and they were all completely crap. Now what has Uli got to say about THAT?? :headbang:

And yet? I sit here looking at the TV showing my back garden and the wildlife setup and hear just a gentle rustle, cannot tell breeze from the noise of the Xenyx 802 which sits in the bedroom and has not been turned off this 5 years!

Mind you, the BCA2000 I bought was a crock. Took 3 to get a worker and the last one is in the loft, buggered. Drivers were never a lot of cop either. NEVER forgive SoS for THAT review!

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Kwaidan » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:50 pm

i think folks on here especially in this thread should be careful and not say defamatory content, behringer is already going after folk including dave smith instruments. so perhaps the mods here on SOS should remove such defamatory content. or SOSpubs maybe next in line!

http://cdm.link/2018/06/behringer-have- ... efamation/

disclaimer: i do not have any association with behringer, nor do i own any of their products.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby desmond » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:09 pm

Posting personal opinions in a forum is one thing, but that’s slightly different from an editorialised news piece on a news site publishing potentially harmful comments... they should really have chosen some better words in that piece, imo.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Folderol » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:20 pm

Getting back on topic... ish
Not only can I not afford some of the original synths, but even if I could, I'd have nowhere to put them! That's partly what got me interested in soft-synths. Those, combined with a moderately comfortable and responsive keyboard (with aftertouch) give me all the scope I want, and have innovative features that are not otherwise available.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby feline1 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:50 pm

Kwaidan wrote:i think folks on here especially in this thread should be careful and not say defamatory content, behringer is already going after folk

I would happily have Uli Behringer "go after" me, in a barn in Somerset, stripped naked as the day we were born, and fighting as God intended. :beamup:
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