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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby blinddrew » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:58 pm

nathanscribe wrote:And guitars, and violins, and pianos. Even the bassoon!

They're all just instruments, people will like them or not and want to play them or not,
Even banjos? ;)
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Wonks » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:28 pm

blinddrew wrote:
nathanscribe wrote:And guitars, and violins, and pianos. Even the bassoon!

They're all just instruments, people will like them or not and want to play them or not,
Even banjos? ;)

To cut costs. Behringer would just skip the building stage and just sell the firewood.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:45 pm

Langur wrote:
The Elf wrote:There will always be a market for 'clones' of successful products.
There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey. (Jon Ruskin 1819-1900)
Yeah but as far as I know, it's the first time that a big corporation relies only (or almost only) on clones.
Ahem... Have you looked at the vast range of products that Behringer produce?!!
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Adam Inglis » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:03 am

Arpangel wrote:[
But that's the trouble Elf, often it's really good, not worse in terms of sonics, the build and ergonomics may not be "ideal" but the sound is fine.

But that's it exactly... "ergonomics" (which I think probably includes the hard-to-define term "playability" of an instrument) is EXTREMELY important to musicians, and gets more important the more experienced you are, because it has a huge effect on creative flow.
It's not just the "sound", it's what you can do with it with your two hands in real time.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby blinddrew » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:39 am

Exactly this. I could buy a kit guitar, build it in a day, and the specifications would be virtually the same as whatever model it was based on. Wouldn't play, look or feel like a Fender/Gibson/whatever though. :)
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:57 am

Adam Inglis wrote:
Arpangel wrote:[
But that's the trouble Elf, often it's really good, not worse in terms of sonics, the build and ergonomics may not be "ideal" but the sound is fine.

But that's it exactly... "ergonomics" (which I think probably includes the hard-to-define term "playability" of an instrument) is EXTREMELY important to musicians, and gets more important the more experienced you are, because it has a huge effect on creative flow.
It's not just the "sound", it's what you can do with it with your two hands in real time.

Absolutely true, but it depends on the clone, the knobs on the Berry D are small, but you get used to them, you can get used to anything. Connect a decent controller keyboard to it and you can be as expressive as you like. I really can't imagine it having a negative impact on my creative flow.
What I personally don't like are small keys, like on the Korg MS20 mini, they are just a step too far, and short keyboards too, they really do limit me in terms of just playing the thing.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:49 pm

And another one, looks like their first prototype eurorack module (if you exclude the boog/neutron/pro one Etc.).
Going from a post on gearslutz it looks identical in layout to the Moog 921B VCO.

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Dan LB » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:07 am

DGL. wrote:And another one, looks like their first prototype eurorack module (if you exclude the boog/neutron/pro one Etc.).
Going from a post on gearslutz it looks identical in layout to the Moog 921B VCO.

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Not identical. The 921B has 7 patch points - this has 11...... very interesting though :clap:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:23 am

ooh.. and anybody want a eurorack MS20?, there was a leaked photo of a beta unit but no other info was released, and well they have gone BOOM! and released it just like that, no teaser/ask for your suggestions campaign, no teasing of PCB's or anything like that.

Behringer Facebook wrote:2,000 K-2 synthesizers ready to ship.

We hear people constantly complaining that we're announcing too early and never ship anything. This time we kept quiet:-)

More to come...

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:50 am

Not something I've ever been interested in, but I bet that one will be a good seller!

The MS20 is one of those synths that held absolutely no interest to anyone for decades, then suddenly acquired this mystical status. Odd the way the world works...
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby nathanscribe » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:18 am

It's probably built better than the Korg MS-20 mini as well. I like Korg, but they made a pig's ear out of that one. Wonky pots, rattly jacks, terrible keys. Good job it sounds really good.

The Behringer has a switch for both filters, too. Not really sure how different they sound, but it's there at least.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Sam Spoons » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:26 am

I worked in MI retail when the MS10/20 was released. We had a MiniMoog, a Korg 700S and an ARP Odyssey in stock when the MS20 arrived and compared to any of them it sounded weak and gutless. The only thing it had going for it was the patch panel (and the price compared to the big boys).
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:40 am

Not more modular, I can't handle all this anymore, there's just too much stuff around, and most of it a variation on a theme by....
There really is so much stuff being released, how can anyone keep up? It's enough having one complicated keyboard to master, how people deal with all this hardware leaves me mystified, and we haven't even talked about software, it's just all too much.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby CS70 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:08 pm

Arpangel wrote:Not more modular, I can't handle all this anymore, there's just too much stuff around, and most of it a variation on a theme by....
There really is so much stuff being released, how can anyone keep up? It's enough having one complicated keyboard to master, how people deal with all this hardware leaves me mystified, and we haven't even talked about software, it's just all too much.

Nothing to worry about, I'd say. People are different and - as a musician - what matters if you produce music or not (or at least play :).
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Dave B » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:49 pm

Funny enough, I might be interested in the ms 20 clone. It depends on the pricepoint. I too remember them as being 'meh' at the time when people wanted minimoogs, but that's kind of the point : it's not a minimoog, it's different. And I like the idea of a patch panel for some stuff. Interesting.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby blinddrew » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:29 pm

Arpangel wrote:Not more modular, I can't handle all this anymore, there's just too much stuff around, and most of it a variation on a theme by....
There really is so much stuff being released, how can anyone keep up? It's enough having one complicated keyboard to master, how people deal with all this hardware leaves me mystified, and we haven't even talked about software, it's just all too much.
I'm sure DavyP will be along in ten minutes with a suitable demo! :D
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DavyP » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:31 pm

blinddrew wrote:
Arpangel wrote:Not more modular, I can't handle all this anymore, there's just too much stuff around, and most of it a variation on a theme by....
There really is so much stuff being released, how can anyone keep up? It's enough having one complicated keyboard to master, how people deal with all this hardware leaves me mystified, and we haven't even talked about software, it's just all too much.
I'm sure DavyP will be along in ten minutes with a suitable demo! :D

Doing a demo is nice, but I'm sort of being worn down. I like to try new things and then I often get hammered for doing so. To the point where I no longer share my music on the various forums. Apart from here because it's different, I like here because there is a proper knowledge base. I do my demo's but when I get feedback here, that's real, useful and genuine and I take it on board. You know it's coming from people with experience, anyway enough ass kissing you f***, but you know what I mean, I've learnt a lot here and listened to advice from eddy, martin, blindrew etc and that has helped me a lot. :clap:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby BillB » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:49 pm

Dave B wrote:Funny enough, I might be interested in the ms 20 clone. It depends on the pricepoint. I too remember them as being 'meh' at the time when people wanted minimoogs, but that's kind of the point : it's not a minimoog, it's different. And I like the idea of a patch panel for some stuff. Interesting.

First time around (70's / 80's / 90's), very few of us could afford more than one or a couple of synths, so it mattered that the one poly / mono etc could cover the bases with sufficient power and presence. That is not the case any more. Those of us who like hardware now have a vast choice in the second-hand and new market, at prices we once could not have dreamt of.

So now the issue is not whether an MS-20 sounds better than a MiniMoog, but whether it brings something sonically or operationally different.

And yes, if Behringer can do the MS-20 (or Odyssey etc) reissue better than Korg, there is a lesson to be learned for Korg. I was only thinking the other day how I would like an MS20 'mini' without the keyboard!
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby arkieboy » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:49 pm

It takes something to get my synth drool on these days, but I have to say that the Odyssey has me utterly ga-ga.

To me its the sound of the workshop in the 70s and why I almost was a keyboardist instead of a guitarist.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DavyP » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:05 pm

I don't care what synth sounds like what, I want to do one of those Eddy and mates demos, they sound good, and I think I could offer something to them also, providing they listen to me lol, and we could make a smash hit! lol
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