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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:05 pm
by nathanscribe
Me too. Personally, I'm waiting for the Boss DC-2w to hit the shelves. I've got the CE-2w and DM-2w and they're both excellent, no trouble at all with synth levels despite the quoted specs. The TC is looking like it won't be around till later this year...

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:21 pm
by Dave B
I see that the odd, 101 and vp are now almost shipping. I’m guessing reviews should start appearing shortly. I foresee a lot of happy campers this summer

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:49 pm
by The Elf
Dave B wrote:I see that the odd, 101 and vp are now almost shipping. I’m guessing reviews should start appearing shortly. I foresee a lot of happy campers this summer
One from me, at least. Can't wait to see that VP!!

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:26 pm
by DGL.
...and it looks like a couple of people on gearslutz who had ordered the VC340 have got shipping confirmation from Thomann!!!
They're coming :D

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:32 pm
by The Elf
Eek, I say, eek! :bouncy:

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:38 am
by Arpangel
If Behringer released copies of the VCS3/2600 would I buy them? of course I would, like a lot of synth enthusiasts, and Behringer know that, they are on to a good thing.
A friend bought over his Behringer D yesterday, we compared it to my Mini Moog Reissue, it was frighteningly good, and as near as damn it like my Moog, if these other copies are as good as this they'll sell like hot cakes, and you can ad me to the pre-order list.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:56 pm
by DGL.
How about a K20?

Picture taken from a leak, picture taken from gearnews.de

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:17 pm
by The Elf
...and so it begins... again... :lol:

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:25 pm
by DGL.
Well, G4M had VC340's in stock so I now have one n order should arrive tomorrow :bouncy:

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:30 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
I'm Still holding out for a CS-80-alike... :lol:

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:39 pm
by BillB
Hugh Robjohns wrote:I'm Still holding out for a CS-80-alike... :lol:

Wouldn't surprise me if that came true in a couple of years. Seems that if they can get hold of it, they can build it.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:29 pm
by DGL.
DGL. wrote:Well, G4M had VC340's in stock so I now have one n order should arrive tomorrow :bouncy:
Correction somehow forgot it was the easter bank holiday (despite working on a caravan site and being rushed off my feet today :headbang: ) so hopefully I should get it sometime next week :)

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:30 pm
by Jumpeyspyder
Hugh Robjohns wrote:I'm Still holding out for a CS-80-alike... :lol:

Possibly!
CS-80 & JP8 are probably most wished for recreations - if I were behringer I'd clone these two last! - My guess 5 year time.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:09 pm
by desmond
Well, the *latest* Behinger-gate is this one:

http://cdm.link/2019/04/behringer-update-tc-helicon-hardware-ik-multimedia-products/

Bit naughty...

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:56 am
by ConcertinaChap
The bit at the end about legal action is a good reminder that Behringer is not a philanthropic organisation.

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:56 am
by blinddrew
One wonders if there have ever been any licensing discussions around any of these stories. It's something that never seems to be mentioned.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:03 pm
by Martin Walker
blinddrew wrote:One wonders if there have ever been any licensing discussions around any of these stories. It's something that never seems to be mentioned.

I read an interesting discussion the other day on another forum (shame on you Martin! :headbang: ) where several users asked why so few software plug-ins modeled on famous hardware get an official A/B demo from their developers.

Dirk Ulrich (Brainworx) admitted that in general, when they get official licenses to use the hardware name, the A/B tests tend to sound close enough that the hardware manufacturer doesn't want official comparisons published :beamup:

Of course he would say that, but I strongly suspect there's a lot of truth in his comments ;)


Martin

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:28 pm
by ken long
Is that 808 clone ever coming out?

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:59 am
by johnny h
BillB wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:I'm Still holding out for a CS-80-alike... :lol:

Wouldn't surprise me if that came true in a couple of years. Seems that if they can get hold of it, they can build it.
Its been done!

https://www.deckardsdream.com/

Personally .. I don't think it sounds as good as the real thing, and I question some of their design choices. The sliders are too small, and I believe it was a mistake choosing not to allow filter self oscillation for purist reasons.

As for Behringer doing a cheap CS80 copy, I'll believe it when I see it. Its a hugely complex machine inside. A totally different beast to doing some pro1 / juno ripoff.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:03 am
by Hugh Robjohns
johnny h wrote:Its been done!

Yes, seen it. And GR reviewed it here: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/black-corporation-deckards-dream Still very expensive though, and lacks an integrated keyboard.

As for Behringer doing a cheap CS80 copy, I'll believe it when I see it. Its a hugely complex machine inside.

Not really. It's just 16 relatively straightforward interlinked synths in a box. :D The original looks very complex when you open the lid, but most of that is because of the nature of discrete electronics, the wiring looms, and the repetition of circuitry. I owned one in the 1980s and maintained it myself. The original uses a lot of bespoke analogue ICs for the oscillators, filters, envelope generators, and so on, which would have to be re-engineered in some way... but Uli's team have shown an ability and willingness to do that already.

With SMD construction it could be made at a much more practical, size and (hopefully) attractive cost. Finding a decent poly-aftertouch keyboard would still be an issue, though.

Yes, it's a dream... but who knows?