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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:05 pm
by Eddy Deegan
desmond wrote:- None of you chaps need new synths.
- None of the sounds these synths can make are any different to ones you can already make.
- They're not going to add any value to your studio
- You just want new toys and distractions to play with

:o

Heresy! even tho he's probably right Burn the witch! :protest:

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:58 pm
by The Elf
desmond wrote:- None of you chaps need new synths.
- None of the sounds these synths can make are any different to ones you can already make.
But... but... It's a VP-330!!! A VP-330! (minus an octave, but still...) :geek: :D

Must buy... :beamup:

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:07 pm
by Chevytraveller
Jumpeyspyder wrote:
Chevytraveller wrote:Who was that plonker of a "Synth Expert"?..

Great products.. terrible presentation :headbang:

He was charming ... but useless

It might have been wise if they had rehearsed

Charming, but certainly no expert.. didn't even know the difference between 4op FM and 6op..
When he started comparing Uli Behringer to genuinely great engineers like Bob Moog, Don Buchla and Alan Pearlman I wanted to punch the screen.. Sycophant expert maybe :headbang: :madas: :madas:

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:32 am
by Dave B
I'm trying really hard to be positive and keep my karma on track, but things like that just make it difficult. Being constructive, if I were to offer some feedback, I'd suggest that

1. They have the units with a bunch of step sequencers and trigger outs on the drum machine - why not spend a little prep time and create something simple to introduce the talk which shows off the gear?

2. Perhaps show off some features slightly more organised - there are 3 filters on the Oddy so why not have a patch which can be tweaked to show the difference?

3. The vocoder should really have a piece prepared so that they can show it off - just randomly pressing things and talking into mic isn't much of a demo.

4. Perhaps show features that other re-creations lack - correct octave handling on the VP? Is their midi implementation better on their Oddy? (controllers as well as note on/off? That might be important to people)

5. Given that they are re-creations, I don't think that it would be too bad to have originals there as well for an A/B comparison to show how close the sound is.

Hey ho

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:11 am
by The Elf
To be fair to those guys, we don't know when they were asked to do this and how much time they were given to prepare - and it was just an introduction to these toys, after all. It was enough to say "they're here" to the world.

But maybe I'm being overly-generous!

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:09 pm
by desmond
desmond wrote:Also: The news about the Bro-One seems to have dried up, amid rumours of legal wranglings.
I wonder if this isn't going to happen now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMg0TCJmuyY&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0dVZguFPXnzL3JmJjrP_JxGWwoek7XWH00Lm-i8qQM4xBo9Yak6rUUA4E

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:32 am
by Chevytraveller
My word, these things sound amazing.. plus someone finally capable of demoing the Odyssey properly..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccLw2TDlPis

:o

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:44 pm
by BillB
desmond wrote:Just to inject a dose of reality:
- None of you chaps need new synths.
- None of the sounds these synths can make are any different to ones you can already make.
- They're not going to add any value to your studio
- You just want new toys and distractions to play with

Not Behringer, but same principle. I was looking at some of the videos of the Korg Minologue XD and thinking, that’s really cute (accepting its form factor issues) especially the NEW Multi-Engine oscillator to add to the VCOs - and the VPMs look like a really nice implementation of 2 Osc FM. Chimes :mrgreen: with my growing appreciation of FM (2, 4, or 6 operators) at the moment.

Then I thought - VPM - that sounds familiar. Dig out the Parameter guide to my KingKorg, and there it is on page 8, VPM Saw, Square, Tri, Sine (Osc types 29-32 of 126!). 2-op FM with ratio and mod depth control. No algorithms, but hang on, each of the 3 oscillators can be VPM, so that is basically 6-op FM where the algorithm is 3 parallel carrier-modulator pairs.
Each operator pitch can be modulated via the virtual patch system (Env, LFO etc) as can overall Osc level etc. So.... not quite as sophisticated as the Minilogue XD, which also has feedback, noise and 16 Osc types compared to the KK’s 4. But hey, the KK can have 3 VPM oscs, the Minilogue only one (+2 VCOs). Just different capabilities, not better or worse.

Getting back to Desmond’s post, the point is, I hadn’t even clocked that VPM on the KK meant FM. Just hadn’t looked closely enough. After half an hour this morning, I have a new preset on the KK called “Meg FM” (using 2 VPM oscs) - and it is Mega.

And I didn’t have to buy anything, just look a bit more closely at what I already had. More investigations to follow!
:headbang:

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:55 pm
by Martin Walker
BillB wrote:And I didn’t have to buy anything, just look a bit more closely at what I already had. More investigations to follow!
:headbang:

Bravo Bill :clap:

But don't tell everybody your secret, or not one of us will buy anything new :beamup:


Martin

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:37 pm
by BillB
Ha, not going to happen - no one’s resolve is that good! It is worth the odd reminder though, otherwise as Desmond said, it is just the distraction of new toys.

Incidentally, sorry for the wildly off-topic, but on-principle, post.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:41 pm
by Rich Hanson
I love my KingKorg for similar reasons. The VPM is good, but I also like the tuned resonance noise oscillator too, which is very useful for tuned percussion sounds.

Anyway, back to Behringer, I'll have the string synth please.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:47 pm
by desmond
BillB wrote:Incidentally, sorry for the wildly off-topic, but on-principle, post.

No post agreeing with me should ever be considered off-topic! :bouncy:

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:44 pm
by The Elf
One of the acts I'm working with used a VP-330 extensively back in the day. We're recreating a lot of the old pieces with a view to performing them live, so a VP-ish sound is high on the list - especially the strings (not interested in the vocoder at all, TBH). I did buy a VP-03, and that is OK up to a point, but the VC-340 looks like it truly nails the divide-down technology. This is critically important in the sound of those old string machines, something that Roland themselves failed to recreate, which makes for very odd noises when playing octaves.

So that's my excuse - new toy! :lol:

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:42 am
by DGL.
And just a bit more for you bank manager to get worried about;

Uli Behringer wrote:We kept the best for last :-)

Watch our FB page tomorrow.

Uli

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:15 pm
by DGL.
And... Behringer has a new synth, the CRAVE.
Looks to be a monophonic single oscillator semi-modular based on the CEM3340, MOOG ladder filter with a built in sequencer, €149!! .

https://www.facebook.com/BEHRINGER/vide ... =2&theater

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0sI8DtxSP