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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Tue May 07, 2019 4:19 pm

and it looks like it will have both the old preset sliders AND digital presets over MIDI/USB.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Tue May 07, 2019 4:57 pm

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachm ... 1557242652

PID PDF, with one extra thing to glean from it is that it will have FULL MIDI implementation via CC#/NRPN.

And they will be doing a special version for "The Elf".
This will come with an hilariously oversized wallwart (so much so that it would take up 3 sockets in a socket strip, a very short cable (20cm), a custom DC connector that only this uses, and a system to detect whether the genuine PSU is being used and to not work if not, replacement PSU's will not be available! Plus the case for this version will be designed in such a way that there is no space for an internal PSU, or for the external one to be mounted inside.
The keyboard will also be reduced in size (to 12 VL-TONE style mini keys) and will no have any extra capabilities other than only note on/off (even via midi). :lol:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue May 07, 2019 5:17 pm

It certainly looks very interesting. The forced air cooling (at least two internal fans) is a slight concern, though, and the ribbon controller is only an octave and a bit wide instead of the lovely three-octave wide original, which I imagine will reduce it's playability and usefulness to some extent. And I'd love to know where they are planning to source a poly-AT keybed.

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Tue May 07, 2019 5:32 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:It certainly looks very interesting. The forced air cooling (at least two internal fans) is a slight concern, though, And I'd love to know where they are planning to source a poly-AT keybed.

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If it's anything like the DM12 then the fans are to help with temperature stability of internal components (reducing temperature based drift) and turning them off (which I am assuming will be possible) does no harm to the instrument.

As for the keyboard, Behringer will make their own, or so I would guess. According to Uli all they keybeds in their current synths/controllers are made/designed by them so I expect this to be no different.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue May 07, 2019 5:47 pm

DGL. wrote:... the fans are to help with temperature stability of internal components ...

I think that's always the case, isn't it? :lol:

...turning them off (which I am assuming will be possible) does no harm to the instrument.

Ah -- didn't realise they could be turned off (in the DM12), so that's sounds reassuring.

As for the keyboard, Behringer will make their own, or so I would guess. According to Uli all they keybeds in their current synths/controllers are made/designed by them so I expect this to be no different.

Now I didn't realise that either.

If Musicgroup builds a decent poly-AT keybed for this project, there could be some really great spin-offs in the way of master controller keyboards. That's an exciting prospect too!
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby desmond » Tue May 07, 2019 6:33 pm

I don't see the point at all of the mini sliders.

They are there in the CS80 as a compromise to store settings. This compromise won't exist in the new one (proper memories), so it seems like half the panel space used to set up four memories could be better used making the controls bigger and more spacious and for other features...

Seems a bit daft... :headbang:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue May 07, 2019 6:58 pm

I quite agree. Replicating the original four fader preset panels is completely pointless, thoughtless, and useless. A proper fast-access facility to the software memory presets would be a lot more practical and useful.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Tue May 07, 2019 8:03 pm

Agree on the mini-faders. There's absolutely no point in them.

Now... where do I place my order?... :lol:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Jumpeyspyder » Tue May 07, 2019 9:21 pm

looks like a beast!
Agree with everyone above about mini faders, it would be better with a full lenth ribbon controller.

Sacrilege but CS-80 has never been on my wish list :blush:
I just want them to get on with their OB-Xa and then I want a JP8 :protest:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby BillB » Wed May 08, 2019 12:31 pm

desmond wrote:I don't see the point at all of the mini sliders.

They are there in the CS80 as a compromise to store settings. This compromise won't exist in the new one (proper memories), so it seems like half the panel space used to set up four memories could be better used making the controls bigger and more spacious and for other features...

Seems a bit daft... :headbang:

Definitely. And, as there can now be many more than four memories, how about a display (even 16 x 2 would be better than nothing) so that the memories can be named?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed May 08, 2019 12:41 pm

This thing is still just a concept and a graphic... there's a very, very long way to go before it becomes a playable instrument and I'm sure the details will evolve a lot in the process.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Wed May 08, 2019 6:18 pm

and here is the first audio of the Ub-Xa it's only a short video but it gives some idea of the sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL9Ws-WUMZ8
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby johnny h » Sat May 11, 2019 3:58 pm

Anyone test out the Behringer booth at Superbooth?

Damn, I hate the company with a passion but the stuff they are making right now is incredible. Really, really excellent sounding stuff at ridiculous prices.

I much prefer their version of the Odyssey to Korg’s. Full size keys, too.

Sh101 copy is great fun too.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Sat May 11, 2019 6:22 pm

I've been critical of Behringer in the past, but I have to say that they've upped their game in all kinds of ways. I really can't knock them for what they're doing right now. These synths are not just good for the money - they really are genuinely great instruments.

That Odyssey is gorgeous, isn't it? Much as I love my Karp Odyssey FS, I'm seduced by those lit sliders and built-in FX!
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat May 11, 2019 9:23 pm

I have 2 x X32s, an XR12 and a Model D, all are fantastic (I do have some older kit too, a couple of redundant compressor and an, in use, HA4400, alll of which get the job done). The very low failure rates for the early X32s bode well for reliability generally so my only reservation is their slightly questionable business practices in the past (and I wouldn't buy any of their older DIs). Lets hope they stay there and we can benefit from the present range of gear.
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