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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby nathanscribe » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:18 am

It's probably built better than the Korg MS-20 mini as well. I like Korg, but they made a pig's ear out of that one. Wonky pots, rattly jacks, terrible keys. Good job it sounds really good.

The Behringer has a switch for both filters, too. Not really sure how different they sound, but it's there at least.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Sam Spoons » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:26 am

I worked in MI retail when the MS10/20 was released. We had a MiniMoog, a Korg 700S and an ARP Odyssey in stock when the MS20 arrived and compared to any of them it sounded weak and gutless. The only thing it had going for it was the patch panel (and the price compared to the big boys).
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:40 am

Not more modular, I can't handle all this anymore, there's just too much stuff around, and most of it a variation on a theme by....
There really is so much stuff being released, how can anyone keep up? It's enough having one complicated keyboard to master, how people deal with all this hardware leaves me mystified, and we haven't even talked about software, it's just all too much.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby CS70 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:08 pm

Arpangel wrote:Not more modular, I can't handle all this anymore, there's just too much stuff around, and most of it a variation on a theme by....
There really is so much stuff being released, how can anyone keep up? It's enough having one complicated keyboard to master, how people deal with all this hardware leaves me mystified, and we haven't even talked about software, it's just all too much.

Nothing to worry about, I'd say. People are different and - as a musician - what matters if you produce music or not (or at least play :).
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Dave B » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:49 pm

Funny enough, I might be interested in the ms 20 clone. It depends on the pricepoint. I too remember them as being 'meh' at the time when people wanted minimoogs, but that's kind of the point : it's not a minimoog, it's different. And I like the idea of a patch panel for some stuff. Interesting.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby blinddrew » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:29 pm

Arpangel wrote:Not more modular, I can't handle all this anymore, there's just too much stuff around, and most of it a variation on a theme by....
There really is so much stuff being released, how can anyone keep up? It's enough having one complicated keyboard to master, how people deal with all this hardware leaves me mystified, and we haven't even talked about software, it's just all too much.
I'm sure DavyP will be along in ten minutes with a suitable demo! :D
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DavyP » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:31 pm

blinddrew wrote:
Arpangel wrote:Not more modular, I can't handle all this anymore, there's just too much stuff around, and most of it a variation on a theme by....
There really is so much stuff being released, how can anyone keep up? It's enough having one complicated keyboard to master, how people deal with all this hardware leaves me mystified, and we haven't even talked about software, it's just all too much.
I'm sure DavyP will be along in ten minutes with a suitable demo! :D

Doing a demo is nice, but I'm sort of being worn down. I like to try new things and then I often get hammered for doing so. To the point where I no longer share my music on the various forums. Apart from here because it's different, I like here because there is a proper knowledge base. I do my demo's but when I get feedback here, that's real, useful and genuine and I take it on board. You know it's coming from people with experience, anyway enough ass kissing you f***, but you know what I mean, I've learnt a lot here and listened to advice from eddy, martin, blindrew etc and that has helped me a lot. :clap:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby BillB » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:49 pm

Dave B wrote:Funny enough, I might be interested in the ms 20 clone. It depends on the pricepoint. I too remember them as being 'meh' at the time when people wanted minimoogs, but that's kind of the point : it's not a minimoog, it's different. And I like the idea of a patch panel for some stuff. Interesting.

First time around (70's / 80's / 90's), very few of us could afford more than one or a couple of synths, so it mattered that the one poly / mono etc could cover the bases with sufficient power and presence. That is not the case any more. Those of us who like hardware now have a vast choice in the second-hand and new market, at prices we once could not have dreamt of.

So now the issue is not whether an MS-20 sounds better than a MiniMoog, but whether it brings something sonically or operationally different.

And yes, if Behringer can do the MS-20 (or Odyssey etc) reissue better than Korg, there is a lesson to be learned for Korg. I was only thinking the other day how I would like an MS20 'mini' without the keyboard!
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby arkieboy » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:49 pm

It takes something to get my synth drool on these days, but I have to say that the Odyssey has me utterly ga-ga.

To me its the sound of the workshop in the 70s and why I almost was a keyboardist instead of a guitarist.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DavyP » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:05 pm

I don't care what synth sounds like what, I want to do one of those Eddy and mates demos, they sound good, and I think I could offer something to them also, providing they listen to me lol, and we could make a smash hit! lol
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:18 pm

There is thing 'thing' where old=good, and the longer it goes on, the less newcomers question it. There are some truly rubbish old synths, but I now see them revered every day as objects of desire.

Did the MS-20 share a filter with the MonoPoly? That's the only old Korg synth that ever made me drool. Resonance without bass loss - nice.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby nathanscribe » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:44 pm

The Elf wrote:Did the MS-20 share a filter with the MonoPoly? That's the only old Korg synth that ever made me drool. Resonance without bass loss - nice.

MS-20 had two filter types: early models had the Korg35 potted discrete transistor blob, which has been revived without the potting now for the Monotrons and the new MS models; later originals had a dual OTA.

The MonoPoly used an SSM filter chip.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:20 am

The Elf wrote:There is thing 'thing' where old=good, and the longer it goes on, the less newcomers question it. There are some truly rubbish old synths, but I now see them revered every day as objects of desire.

I can remember hearin an MS20 when it came out, it didn't make any special impression on me, apart from the patch bay. I bought a Moog Prodigy instead, even though it had less bells and whistles than the Korg, it sounded just right, and I recorded lots of left field stuff with it, one note on the Moog had more feel and vibe than a complicated patch on an MS20 for me. Moog "is" good, and always will be.
A friend had a Korg MS10, I like that more than the MS20, and I'd like one today, it's got a lovely solidity and purity to the sound, which for some reason the MS20 doesn't have.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:03 pm

Two things,
Pictures of the Crave either in production or pre-production have been posted on their FB page
Behringer FB wrote:"Cravin' for Crave"
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and Uli has been asking for you synth ideas both for what clones they should do and what you would want in a dream synth.

Uli Behringer wrote:I’ve got two questions for you:
1. Which legacy synth would you like us bring back to life?
2. What new dream synth would you want us to make? It would be great if you could attach a simple drawing or sketch with some features you would love to have. The best design might be built by us and in that case you’ll get the first one for free.
As you can tell we love building synths and other great products for you. And no, we haven’t forgotten our pro audio customers - in fact we'll have something pretty revolutionary quite soon.
Thank you for all the love we're getting from you. You are the sole reason why we exist and we owe you everything.
Let me tell you that this is the absolute best time in our 30 years of our Behringer existence. You can tell, we're having lots of fun :) .
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:24 am

Uli Behringer wrote:I’ve got two questions for you:
1. Which legacy synth would you like us bring back to life?
2. What new dream synth would you want us to make? It would be great if you could attach a simple drawing or sketch with some features you would love to have. The best design might be built by us and in that case you’ll get the first one for free.
As you can tell we love building synths and other great products for you. And no, we haven’t forgotten our pro audio customers - in fact we'll have something pretty revolutionary quite soon.
Thank you for all the love we're getting from you. You are the sole reason why we exist and we owe you everything.
Let me tell you that this is the absolute best time in our 30 years of our Behringer existence. You can tell, we're having lots of fun :) .
Uli
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I'd like a legacy EMS Synthi, if the sound could be as good and as authentic as your current legacy products I'd buy one straight away.
My dream synth would be something I haven't imagined, I'd like to be genuinely excited by a new synth, something different, versatile, and very musical.,
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