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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:18 pm

There is thing 'thing' where old=good, and the longer it goes on, the less newcomers question it. There are some truly rubbish old synths, but I now see them revered every day as objects of desire.

Did the MS-20 share a filter with the MonoPoly? That's the only old Korg synth that ever made me drool. Resonance without bass loss - nice.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby nathanscribe » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:44 pm

The Elf wrote:Did the MS-20 share a filter with the MonoPoly? That's the only old Korg synth that ever made me drool. Resonance without bass loss - nice.

MS-20 had two filter types: early models had the Korg35 potted discrete transistor blob, which has been revived without the potting now for the Monotrons and the new MS models; later originals had a dual OTA.

The MonoPoly used an SSM filter chip.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:20 am

The Elf wrote:There is thing 'thing' where old=good, and the longer it goes on, the less newcomers question it. There are some truly rubbish old synths, but I now see them revered every day as objects of desire.

I can remember hearin an MS20 when it came out, it didn't make any special impression on me, apart from the patch bay. I bought a Moog Prodigy instead, even though it had less bells and whistles than the Korg, it sounded just right, and I recorded lots of left field stuff with it, one note on the Moog had more feel and vibe than a complicated patch on an MS20 for me. Moog "is" good, and always will be.
A friend had a Korg MS10, I like that more than the MS20, and I'd like one today, it's got a lovely solidity and purity to the sound, which for some reason the MS20 doesn't have.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:03 pm

Two things,
Pictures of the Crave either in production or pre-production have been posted on their FB page
Behringer FB wrote:"Cravin' for Crave"
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and Uli has been asking for you synth ideas both for what clones they should do and what you would want in a dream synth.

Uli Behringer wrote:I’ve got two questions for you:
1. Which legacy synth would you like us bring back to life?
2. What new dream synth would you want us to make? It would be great if you could attach a simple drawing or sketch with some features you would love to have. The best design might be built by us and in that case you’ll get the first one for free.
As you can tell we love building synths and other great products for you. And no, we haven’t forgotten our pro audio customers - in fact we'll have something pretty revolutionary quite soon.
Thank you for all the love we're getting from you. You are the sole reason why we exist and we owe you everything.
Let me tell you that this is the absolute best time in our 30 years of our Behringer existence. You can tell, we're having lots of fun :) .
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:24 am

Uli Behringer wrote:I’ve got two questions for you:
1. Which legacy synth would you like us bring back to life?
2. What new dream synth would you want us to make? It would be great if you could attach a simple drawing or sketch with some features you would love to have. The best design might be built by us and in that case you’ll get the first one for free.
As you can tell we love building synths and other great products for you. And no, we haven’t forgotten our pro audio customers - in fact we'll have something pretty revolutionary quite soon.
Thank you for all the love we're getting from you. You are the sole reason why we exist and we owe you everything.
Let me tell you that this is the absolute best time in our 30 years of our Behringer existence. You can tell, we're having lots of fun :) .
Uli
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I'd like a legacy EMS Synthi, if the sound could be as good and as authentic as your current legacy products I'd buy one straight away.
My dream synth would be something I haven't imagined, I'd like to be genuinely excited by a new synth, something different, versatile, and very musical.,
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby ManFromGlass » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:36 pm

The Synthi was fun but if you’re not a big knob tweaker like me then presets are always a nice place to start.
Perhaps a Super Synthi that has presets and instantly redials all knob settings. (Perhaps Gibson would donate their hugely unpopular Robot Guitar Tuner to the cause!)
How to deal with the pin matrix is another issue
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Wonks » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:48 pm

But then you are talking about a very different synth. And it's a lot easier copying an existing design (even if you add bits to it) than creating something entirely new and very different.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby ManFromGlass » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:27 pm

Yes indeed. But with all the current methods of synthesis do you think there might be something original left to be invented? I’m thinking more of ways to generate the sounds as opposed to say a new form of playing the created sound. (Fancy new keybed, ribbon controller etc) Or would the new sounds still be a variation of already discovered techniques?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Jumpeyspyder » Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:04 am

DGL. wrote:and Uli has been asking for you synth ideas both for what clones they should do and what you would want in a dream synth.

Uli Behringer wrote:I’ve got two questions for you:
1. Which legacy synth would you like us bring back to life?
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Jupiter 8 - for sound
Jupiter 8 - for looks
Jupiter 8 - for interface
Jupiter 8 - for nostalgia
Jupiter 8 + MIDI - that would be perfect
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:07 am

Jumpeyspyder wrote:
DGL. wrote:and Uli has been asking for you synth ideas both for what clones they should do and what you would want in a dream synth.

Uli Behringer wrote:I’ve got two questions for you:
1. Which legacy synth would you like us bring back to life?
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Uli
Jupiter 8 - for sound
Jupiter 8 - for looks
Jupiter 8 - for interface
Jupiter 8 - for nostalgia
Jupiter 8 + MIDI - that would be perfect

Me too, check out this video at around 19.57, I love this guy, very interesting music, very spacey, I think we all love the JP8 arpeggiator...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9eigT6DvHJo
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:54 am

Much as I loved the sounds my old Jupiter 8 made, I grew heartily sick of keeping the thing in tune and was ultimately glad to see the back of it.

Though I'd be interested to see what Behringer might do with a JP8, I do think that Roland's System 8, despite their 'analogue inertia', is 'close enough' - though I still bemoan the pitiful 'my first polysynth' hardware (4-octave keyboard, external PSU, plastic casing) they chose to wrap around it.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby SecretSam » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:12 am

+1 for EMS Synthi.

What about the OSCar ?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Martin Walker » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:02 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:But with all the current methods of synthesis do you think there might be something original left to be invented? I’m thinking more of ways to generate the sounds as opposed to say a new form of playing the created sound.

There's an occasional poster on the SOS Forums (he has long hair, and I think he's a Dr, but I can't remember his name) who invents new forms of synthesis using mathematical methods, and his YouTube videos demonstrating their capabilities makes fascinating viewing/listening. I can't track any of his SOS posts down at the moment, but as soon as I do I'll update this post with a link to his YouTube channel.

EDIT: Got him! His forum name is doctornash, and here are the 13 posts he's made here demonstrating various Innovations In Sound Synthesis

https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/sear ... 8&sr=posts

And here's his fascinating sawsquaresine YouTube channel (which I've now subscribed to, so I can find it again more easily next time ;) )

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx0g8d ... jIDc8Bp8nA


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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:26 pm

Just a question, what's this Crave meant to be a copy of? Is it a Wasp? after all, it is yellow...

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby johnny h » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:55 pm

Arpangel wrote:
Uli Behringer wrote:I’ve got two questions for you:
1. Which legacy synth would you like us bring back to life?
Something like the Jomox SunSyn and Alesis Andromeda. Fantastic, forward thinking synths hamstrung by their terrible bugs and unreliability. Enough of the Roland / Moog rehashes.

Also, must be MPE / MIDI2 compatible!
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